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Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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JohnFen wrote: post #34
LocalH wrote: post #9

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There's a weird perception that's floating out there claiming that video gaming cannot be "a sport", just because it's more mental than physical (although even that varies per game, for example high-level Guitar Hero players require extreme endurance and stamina). I also would wager a non-zero percentage of people with such mindset would also deny that chess is a sport, unless they grandfather it in due to the sheer…

The surprisingly emotional debate of "is it a sport or is it a game" has been around from the moment we invented the category of "sports". I don't think it will ever be definitively settled, because the difference is cultural, not technical, and cultural attitudes change with time and location. Personally, the technical-ish definition that makes the most sense to me is "if it's a competition and people are gathering…

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Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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foxglacier wrote: post #36
LocalH wrote: post #14

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The scourge of unfettered capitalism. Everything boils down to "how much money does it make" Small-time capitalism is good. But beyond a certain size, it falls apart and can even become quasi-governmental. When is somebody going to blend the best part of all political isms to get closer to the best possible form of society

People tried picking the best bits of capitalism and communism and they ended up with fascism. Maybe it's fine what we have now which is capitalism with piles of restrictions and government spending to fix all the little bugs that've been discovered over time. I'd say society is too complex for some invented -ism to just magically work.

I guess it depends on where in the world you are, but where I am capitalism is ruling the roost and destroying everything in the process, just like the other pure isms

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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cwillu wrote: post #22
LocalH wrote: post #13

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Within kayfabe, WWE is a sport. Outside of kayfabe, it's not. :)

Medical dramas are not medicine, courtroom dramas are not court, wrestling dramas are not wrestling.

That's true. But my parent post was talking about WWE, not real wrestling

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Post by LocalH »

barbazoo wrote: post #25
LocalH wrote: post #14

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The scourge of unfettered capitalism. Everything boils down to "how much money does it make" Small-time capitalism is good. But beyond a certain size, it falls apart and can even become quasi-governmental. When is somebody going to blend the best part of all political isms to get closer to the best possible form of society

Best for who though? There just is no one size that fits all. Personally I would be happy in a more equal socialistic society but I recognize that others prefer the individuality and excitement of playing the game of chance in our capitalist system. What I’m looking for is perhaps more at a smaller level of local community, not “state” level.

Best for the largest percentage of people. Clearly, pure capitalism isn't that. But so isn't pure communism, or pure socialism.

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Post by johannes1234321 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #48
munchler wrote: post #17

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I assume you’re being facetious, but just to be clear: WWE is scripted, while the Jets have a fair chance to win any given game.

There's an enormous amount of money commanded by F1 racing. There are only three, or maybe four, teams that have any chance of winning a race. The other six or seven teams battle to just end up in the points because that determines how the revenue gets shared with the teams.

> The other six or seven teams battle to just end up in the points b

Which means that there is a sportive completion. There are just a few races happening inside a single event.

However in WWE the outcome is fixed and there is no true competition, but a show of fitness, athletism, etc., a more strength based theater piece.

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Post by LocalH »

MangoToupe wrote: post #21
LocalH wrote: post #9

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There's a weird perception that's floating out there claiming that video gaming cannot be "a sport", just because it's more mental than physical (although even that varies per game, for example high-level Guitar Hero players require extreme endurance and stamina). I also would wager a non-zero percentage of people with such mindset would also deny that chess is a sport, unless they grandfather it in due to the sheer…

This doesn't strike me as that weird. Playing a guitar also takes extreme stamina, for instance, but it takes a great deal more technical skill to hit the rhythmn and fingering. (Or at least if that isn't the case, that's certainly the perception.) Many guitarists also write their own music, and the truly impressive ones improvise. Many sports require full-body coordination. I would also consider, say, a skilled ball…

Guitar Hero also isn't directly comparable to guitar. It's more like piano if anything. But the key point is that it brings a tiny fraction of the feeling of playing guitar to people who are completely tone deaf.

The magic of Guitar Hero is that it does bring a semblance of that performance feeling to non-musicians. If what I feel while playing GH is even 1/1000th of what a real musician feels when they perform their music, then holy shit. It gives me a much greater appreciation for what musicians actually feel when they're performing.

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Post by dexterdog »

JohnFen wrote: post #34
LocalH wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a weird perception that's floating out there claiming that video gaming cannot be "a sport", just because it's more mental than physical (although even that varies per game, for example high-level Guitar Hero players require extreme endurance and stamina). I also would wager a non-zero percentage of people with such mindset would also deny that chess is a sport, unless they grandfather it in due to the sheer…

The surprisingly emotional debate of "is it a sport or is it a game" has been around from the moment we invented the category of "sports". I don't think it will ever be definitively settled, because the difference is cultural, not technical, and cultural attitudes change with time and location. Personally, the technical-ish definition that makes the most sense to me is "if it's a competition and people are gathering…

That would make debate a sport. My rule is that it has to have a ball, a race or a fight. I guess you could argue that debate has a fight.

Re: Why hasn't there been a new major sports league?

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Post by travisjungroth »

dexterdog wrote: post #58
JohnFen wrote: post #34

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The surprisingly emotional debate of "is it a sport or is it a game" has been around from the moment we invented the category of "sports". I don't think it will ever be definitively settled, because the difference is cultural, not technical, and cultural attitudes change with time and location. Personally, the technical-ish definition that makes the most sense to me is "if it's a competition and people are gathering…

That would make debate a sport. My rule is that it has to have a ball, a race or a fight. I guess you could argue that debate has a fight.

Gymnastics, javelin, high jump, long jump, target shooting, figure skating…
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