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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by buellerbueller »

verdverm wrote: post #21
ajross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla fanboys don’t realize I don't know who you're addressing. Lots of people, me included, don't like the conspiracy minded politicization of his fortune but still think the cars are pretty great. Seems like a boring opinion that wouldn't be controversial, but we still find ourselves subtweeted anyway. (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop within seconds, as expected. Seriously folks there are 125k…

The winds have shifted, politics has seeped into everything, consumers are voting with money, most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics. No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work > (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop…

>most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics.

Hmm...

>No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work

The woke left forcing ideological conformity loses them a lot of support from the center-left, which turns out is not a winning electoral strategy. At which point one must wonder if the wokeness is just performative and virtue signaling, rather than an attempt to gain actual political power.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#52

Post by schiffern »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #41
schiffern wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, bad strategy advice. Tesla is battery-limited, not demand-limited. Adding models would only add complexity without meaningfully increasing revenue. It helps to know basic fundamental facts about the company.

Please explain how a demand limited company is seeing dramatic reductions in its annual sales? They used to be demand-limited. Not today.

False premise. The company isn't demand limited, despite the (conspicuously implied and never actually stated) conclusion the headline desperately wanted you to reach.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45827800

I really wish people had any media literacy left. This brand of lying without lying is extremely common in modern media, and also extremely easy to spot once you know what to look for.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#54

Post by jstummbillig »

moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

Why would you assume that's not the case? Knowing something has gone wrong is different to putting effort into ensuring the general public is aware that you know something has gone wrong.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#55

Post by buellerbueller »

schiffern wrote: post #33
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla is ... not demand-limited Per the article, this no longer seems to be the case.

You fell for the "we didn't say it so technically we didn't lie" clickbait headline, I see. This article is the same recycled misinformation that's been repeated for years. What's actually happening is that Tesla does regional delivery waves, which results in large month-to-month fluctuations. Nothing new here. Yes Virginia, the media will distort information to sell eyeballs. Color me shocked!

YTD-over-YTD, tesla sales are down 30% in EU. That is not explainable by month-to-month variation.

You fell for the "numbers are real" conspiracy.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by breve »

ajross wrote: post #11
moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

> Tesla fanboys don’t realize I don't know who you're addressing. Lots of people, me included, don't like the conspiracy minded politicization of his fortune but still think the cars are pretty great. Seems like a boring opinion that wouldn't be controversial, but we still find ourselves subtweeted anyway. (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop within seconds, as expected. Seriously folks there are 125k…

> must everything about it be judged entirely on the last twelve months of one guys mania

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#57

Post by themafia »

hiddencost wrote: post #37
themafia wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people think only left wing voters would buy a Tesla. If you think that's true then people aren't buying a quality vehicle they're buying an ideological badge. If you don't think that's true then people aren't buying them because they're not quality vehicles.

You're confused.

I am a human, so that's entirely possible, but perhaps you'd like to expand on this point, otherwise, I risk remaining confused.

Let me be clear about my point though, Tesla's are _not_ quality vehicles, and given a choice, consumers with money will not select them. Politics do not enter into this equation outside of Hacker News.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by afavour »

schiffern wrote: post #52
mjamesaustin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how a demand limited company is seeing dramatic reductions in its annual sales? They used to be demand-limited. Not today.

False premise. The company isn't demand limited, despite the (conspicuously implied and never actually stated) conclusion the headline desperately wanted you to reach. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45827800 I really wish people had any media literacy left. This brand of lying without lying is extremely common in modern media, and also extremely easy to spot once you know what to look for.

Did you even read the article?

> KBA said Tesla sold 750 cars in Germany in October, down by 53.5% from a year earlier. The number of Teslas sold in the January-October period dropped 50.4% to 15,595 units, compared with the same period last year.

To be clear, you are suggesting that Tesla had no delivery "wave" between January and October? And that is the sign of a healthy company?

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by verdverm »

buellerbueller wrote: post #51
verdverm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The winds have shifted, politics has seeped into everything, consumers are voting with money, most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics. No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work > (Edit: three downvotes and a Godwin's Law reply drop…

>most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics. Hmm... >No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work The woke left forcing ideological conformity loses them a lot of support from the center-left, which turns out is not a winning electoral s…

> The woke left forcing ideological conformity

It's not about forcing conformity, it's about having basic human decency. Right-wingers belittle and dehumanize so many groups and people it's hard to keep track

see also: Paradox of tolerance

> turns out is not a winning electoral strategy

umm, did you look at the election results from yesterday?

#1 economy (i.e. emotionally driven tariffs)

#2 people don't like seeing children and neighbors disappeared by masked thugs (i.e. due-process and rule-of-law)

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

schiffern wrote: post #33
BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla is ... not demand-limited Per the article, this no longer seems to be the case.

You fell for the "we didn't say it so technically we didn't lie" clickbait headline, I see. This article is the same recycled misinformation that's been repeated for years. What's actually happening is that Tesla does regional delivery waves, which results in large month-to-month fluctuations. Nothing new here. Yes Virginia, the media will distort information to sell eyeballs. Color me shocked!

From the article:

> The number of Teslas sold in the January-October period dropped 50.4% to 15,595 units, compared with the same period last year.

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