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Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anyone investigate this person to see if she’s being bought by any “Foreign” Gov’t?

Don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by ignorance.

That seems like a cliché happily championed by the malicious.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#52

I do worry if they are adding this to buses what are they doing to MacBooks and your phone? Do people here think these devices are compromised or should we take Apple’s word for it!?

The biggest concern I have is with cheap PC accessories, wireless routers and smarthome equipment. Also solar power inverters with their online tracking apps. In case of war, all of these would be remotely weaponized, IMHO.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#53
post #26

So... did the Chinese company put Romanian SIMs in the busses? Or was it an importer that installed those? Are there fleet management features enabled by that connectivity or are they actually secret? Also, why would they purchase busses that they thought couldn't be remotely monitored or controlled?! That seems like a very valuable feature for public transport.

The fleet management features that lead to the review are documented and were easily disabled.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#54
post #41

I work in rail safety. Two major non-Chinese train companies attempted to merge a few years ago, explicitly to build a company that could compete with China's national company, and provide safer alternatives to state-sponsored cyberhacking of Western rail. It fell down to an anti-monopoly decision by a single person in the EU ministry, who killed the proposal. Several attempts were made to streamline the merger, but…

The European champion would still be ten times smaller than the Chinese but would have factual monopoly in Europe. I don’t think blocking the merger was entirely unreasonable.

I'm with you on this. I feel like too much boogye-man-ing and FUD scaremongering is taking place on the cover of "China evil and has giants" in order to justify breaking anti-monopoly laws and allowing our own monopolies to form under this justification, that will only benefit shareholders of those companies but eventually harm European consumers via lack of innovation due to lack of competition, price gouging and the European workers via the inevitable layoffs that follow such mergers.

If you have two large, slow, bureaucratic and uncompetitive companies, then merging them together won't make the resulting giant less so, but the contrary, it'll be even more inefficient and uncompetitive, and then expect government bailouts because now they're too big to fail.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#55
Whats sad is Norway sits right next to the country which manufactures Scania and Volvo Busses, but instead buys busses from thousands of km away. I suppose cost is all that maters these days, even for national infrastructure which must remain in control and secure.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anyone investigate this person to see if she’s being bought by any “Foreign” Gov’t?

Don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by ignorance.

Results matter.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#57
Ah, and they never review iPhones/Android phones after Israeli companies demonstrated they can backdoor any cellphone on this planet, and especially after they demonstrated they can explode consumer devices and maim 3000+ people overnight.

They don’t review Windows machines either after the Snowden revelations.

How many wars did the Chinese start in the past century?

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#58
post #4

This is just stupid. All modern vehicles har been fully remote controllable for years.

I fully agree. If these were buses from any other country, this would not be an issue. Every road vehicle sold today has a sim card, most for diagnostics, some for remote control.

The tests done on the buses showed that they can be stopped as well as otherwise controlled remotely from China. This is way more than diagnostics, and remote control is _not_ something which is common in road vehicles.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

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post #21

Surprisingly Norway choose this brand, never had a good ride in one, feels like sitting in a water boiler.

Maybe not so surprising as Norway summer temp averages get into mid 60s F (18C) at the warmest.

Ruter operates in and around Oslo where temperatures higher than average. Anyway some of old (diesel?) buses had broken heating and were heating even if it was warm outside. These are still improvement.

Re: Norway reviews cybersecurity after remote-access feature found in Chinese buses

#60

I do worry if they are adding this to buses what are they doing to MacBooks and your phone? Do people here think these devices are compromised or should we take Apple’s word for it!?

Although TSMC might be able to compromise it, Apple's hardware security is good enough that it is very unlikely that any supplier in China can compromise it. All data outside the SOC is encrypted.

It's all the other stuff made in China that is the worry, not the stuff designed by Apple, or Google.

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