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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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1) Cool, i hope they get lots of orders. 2) We're not past the 'zero emissions' rhetoric? I get evals 'at the tailpipe,' yet i think we've come past that line of thinking (e.g. Fairphone's Cameroon country outline inside the phone, behind the battery cover) 3) Will be interesting to compare results to other cars, e.g. Slate, which approach a similar need/desire from a remarkably different angle.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Some choice quotes: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax). > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.

Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post's title was editorialized: the archived page makes no mention of analog. The neutral title would be "The 100% electric Carice TC2: a real retro head-turner". I think OP meant there were no screens in the sparse cockpit, just some analog gauges. And yeah electric cars need a battery management computer, a charge controller, and a motor controller at least.

Out of curiosity, are those components standardized/swappable between manufacturers/models, or customized for each individual make/model? So much of "old school" auto maintenance was having a relatively standardized size/fit for similar components.

Really interesting question!

I have an unusual EV made by a relatively small company of which only a handful got to private customers, so if I want to fix something, I have to reverse-engineer it first. Most of the time, I will find out that the components used in my vehicle were also used in other cars.

Regarding the difference between EVs and ICEVs, only the powertrain components are relevant and between those, some are more exchangeable and some are less so.

As with ICEVs, most manufacturers have "platforms" that are shared between multiple makes/models. Having shared components with other vehicles of the same platform is the rule rather than the exception.

In the cars I have seen, the whole battery often only fits that specific model, sometimes also for other cars within the same platform. The modules that make up the battery are often exchangeable with other cars made by the same company/group. The cells that make up the modules are almost always generic, but very hard to replace. The battery management system is usually specific to the battery.

I don't know about the current state, but for early EVs the motor and inverter (which converts battery DC to AC for the motor) were often made by external suppliers. Especially EV variants of otherwise ICE-based vehicles like the Fiat e500, VW Golf/Jetta, and some french cars all use the same motor and inverter made by Bosch. If an inverter is connected to a different type of motor, it needs to be tuned for it which is not trivial.

Onboard Chargers (OBCs), that convert AC line voltage from AC chargers to battery voltage are often quite generic and developed and manufactured by suppliers. They are almost always interchangeable within the same platform, but I haven't yet seen completely unrelated OEMs use the same OBC. The same applies to fast charging communications equipment, which is often integrated into the OBC.

DC/DC converters (the alternator equivalent) are rarely separate components anymore and often integrated into either the OBC or the inverter.

Voltage-wise, all these components are often surprisingly flexible and can be used with much lower voltages than their maximum rated voltage.

Other components like contactors and connectors are very generic and I haven't yet seen one that only one OEM would use. There are likely exceptions to this. Often, the base components like the OBC or the inverter are almost identical, only using other (also generic) connectors.

While technically all these components could be replaced in the "old school" style, almost all of them require either coding the components to the specific vehicle, or flashing an OEM-specific firmware. While the former is only doable with OEM-specific software (that is far too expensive for both indiviuals and most independent workshops), I haven't yet seen any example of the latter, at least not for swapping components between unrelated platforms.

As of now, there are almost no "official" aftermarket replacements for these major components. I don't know of any major supplier that will directly sell parts in small quantities and OEMs likely won't sell you as an individual replacement parts either. For DIY repairs, finding used parts from wrecked cars and coding them with cracked software or having it done in an authorized workshop (if even possible) often seems to be the only option so far. Also, everyone will discourage you from working on your EV for "electrical safety" reasons (actually, it's more profitable if they do the work). Working on an EV is quite safe, if done right (which is not hard).

Most of these limitations do not only apply to EVs, but to almost all modern cars. Often, the necessary work of reverse-engineering and cracking software has already been done for ICEVs for tuning purposes.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#56
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can negotiate charging with essentially a single resistor. Deciding when to stop / balancing cells etc is the harder problem.

> You can negotiate charging with essentially a single resistor. For USB sure.... I'm pretty sure this doesn't charge over USB.

I'm surprised, and you'll be surprised, but this is true!! I gotta start actually looking shit up before saying something....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Signaling

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

#57

1) Cool, i hope they get lots of orders. 2) We're not past the 'zero emissions' rhetoric? I get evals 'at the tailpipe,' yet i think we've come past that line of thinking (e.g. Fairphone's Cameroon country outline inside the phone, behind the battery cover) 3) Will be interesting to compare results to other cars, e.g. Slate, which approach a similar need/desire from a remarkably different angle.

What's the issue with the zero emissions rhetoric?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #52

Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

Pros: Proper EV motor scream. Cons: 56HP.

Ah... that could explain the apparent absence of airbags.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #38

I like the general design very much. And additionally the fact that it is small, lightweight, and not imposing, while apparently being a fast car. Except for one thing: the brushed metal dashboard. I can imagine how terribly it's going to reflect the sun from behind when the roof is folded. I hope they can offer a tasteful matte dark version. As of the lack of bells and whistles, the dashboard seems to be prepared fo…

That dash stood out to me as well. Would definitely want wood or leather or a darker matte metal.

I'm assuming that its stainless. it were were aggressive about it, it would take a patina for anything from grey to black. stainless also develops a really wide variety of colors if you heat treat it in an oven with good temperature control. there a bronze-like color that's nice, and also a blue.

I'm amused to see that so many cybertrucks have been powder coated or wrapped in vinyl.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Some choice quotes: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax). > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.

Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.

It very much looks like it's designed to be your second/third/tenth car. Not as impractical as a daily driver as most sports cars, but you won't use it for a trip to Ikea either
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