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Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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I'm constantly impressed that we are a civilisation that can look down from space and see this kind of barbarism.

"Visible from space" used to mean "by astronauts". If high-resolution sensors are allowed, then the term applies to things like a tree and a car, and doesn't signify much. Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person.

> Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person.

That sounds slow and expensive.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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> ...the United Arab Emirates (UAE) accused of backing the RSF with supplies and mercenaries... And also helping to launder Hemedti's gold via Dubai. https://globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/conflict-resources/ex...

China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, (EDIT: the UK, indirectly) and Egypt have each also supplied weapons into this conflict [1]. Presumably due to Sudan’s position on the Red Sea. (China and the UAE seem to be alone in supplying the RSF, though.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80...

You forgot US and UK.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

#53
post #31

I'm constantly impressed that we are a civilisation that can look down from space and see this kind of barbarism.

"Visible from space" used to mean "by astronauts". If high-resolution sensors are allowed, then the term applies to things like a tree and a car, and doesn't signify much. Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person.

"Analysis by the Yale School of Public Health Humanitarian Research Lab (HRL), which has been tracking the siege using open source images and satellite imagery, found clusters of objects “consistent with the size of human bodies” and “reddish ground discolouration” thought to be either blood or disturbed soil."

The "visible from space" here is clearly dumb click bait from The Telegraph.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, (EDIT: the UK, indirectly) and Egypt have each also supplied weapons into this conflict [1]. Presumably due to Sudan’s position on the Red Sea. (China and the UAE seem to be alone in supplying the RSF, though.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80...

You forgot US and UK.

I didn’t know British weapons made it to the RSF. Wow. Have American weapons been used in the war?

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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> The UAE has crafted itself as a new Switzerland And whenever someone is talking fondly about UAE that's all you need to know about that person

> whenever someone is talking fondly about UAE that's all you need to know about that person I’ve heard that line about Qatar, Uruguay, Singapore, Malta, Cyprus, the Maldives, and countless other small states. I grew up in Switzerland. Folks like to compare themselves to us, mostly due to complete ignorance of our actual history and culture. It’s true in part and misses the point in others. Geopolitically, however, t…

I think the connotation of 'being Switzerland' has less to do with the modern state of Switzerland and more to do with the ... Unsavory things Switzerland has historically been a part of.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, (EDIT: the UK, indirectly) and Egypt have each also supplied weapons into this conflict [1]. Presumably due to Sudan’s position on the Red Sea. (China and the UAE seem to be alone in supplying the RSF, though.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80...

You forgot US and UK.

Got evidence that they supplied weapons? GP’s Wikipedia article does not seem to say that they did (apart from an unclear reference to US military aid, which I don’t think refers to US military aid to Sudan specifically).

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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> whenever someone is talking fondly about UAE that's all you need to know about that person I’ve heard that line about Qatar, Uruguay, Singapore, Malta, Cyprus, the Maldives, and countless other small states. I grew up in Switzerland. Folks like to compare themselves to us, mostly due to complete ignorance of our actual history and culture. It’s true in part and misses the point in others. Geopolitically, however, t…

I think the connotation of 'being Switzerland' has less to do with the modern state of Switzerland and more to do with the ... Unsavory things Switzerland has historically been a part of.

It's way more basic than that if you ask the average person. "Swiss neutrality/ banking"

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Visible from space" used to mean "by astronauts". If high-resolution sensors are allowed, then the term applies to things like a tree and a car, and doesn't signify much. Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person.

"Analysis by the Yale School of Public Health Humanitarian Research Lab (HRL), which has been tracking the siege using open source images and satellite imagery, found clusters of objects “consistent with the size of human bodies” and “reddish ground discolouration” thought to be either blood or disturbed soil." The "visible from space" here is clearly dumb click bait from The Telegraph.

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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How come dubai hasn’t experienced any sanctions yet? They’ve been laundering everything for ages, esp Russian oil. How are they so immune to this?

> How come dubai hasn’t experienced any sanctions yet? The UAE has crafted itself as a new Switzerland. (Qatar is trying to copy, but clumsily.) They buy American weapons and financial assets, making them influential. They’ve also established themselves as a logistics hub in an important logistics channel to the West and Asia. (They also pitch their balancing effect on Saudi Arabia skillfully.)

Also invested in soccer clubs.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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> whenever someone is talking fondly about UAE that's all you need to know about that person I’ve heard that line about Qatar, Uruguay, Singapore, Malta, Cyprus, the Maldives, and countless other small states. I grew up in Switzerland. Folks like to compare themselves to us, mostly due to complete ignorance of our actual history and culture. It’s true in part and misses the point in others. Geopolitically, however, t…

I think the connotation of 'being Switzerland' has less to do with the modern state of Switzerland and more to do with the ... Unsavory things Switzerland has historically been a part of.

Most of them are patently incorrect, and most of those don't even care to educate themselves since they keep repeating cheap stuff they heard from other bright people and that's it. How many heard about accepting refugees despite being literally surrounded by axis and facing starvation of their own people (how many nations would do that including yours), or not-so-secret massive collaboration with western allies while on surface acting as neutral ie Campione d'Italia, and so on and on).

They were neutral in WWII like ie Spain was, think a bit what does it actually means. Not participating in conflict in any way. So they accepted both jewish and nazi gold or art, and everybody's else. If you want to understand why some of that was kept around after the war maybe reading about numbered accounts would enlight you. If you actually care to understand history as it happened.

Hitler had plans to conquer Switzerland after dealing with Russia, he was aware that they were 'most free and most armed nation in the world', fiercely independent and taking them would cost him dearly not only due to terrain.

Literally nobody had come out of WWII with properly clean slate, you just need to dig (not even deep) to find abhorable stuff on everybody, to different volume of course. Swiss have no problem acknowledging their mistakes, much more than most other nations.

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