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Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

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Did you accept the EULA?

OK, no _moral_ right. They could probably stick a clause in there about the vacuum eating my pets for nourishment, but...

And now you've lost the plot or jumped the shark depending on which side of the pond you're on.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#53
post #47

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There's an exemption from Section 1201 for "Computer programs that control devices designed primarily for use by consumers for diagnosis, maintenance, or repair of the device or system".

That's news to me. Do you have a source for that I can look at? Not being snarky. I would legitimately like to read more about this.

Probably refers to regulatory exceptions that aren't in the statue directly, which are updated every 3 years:

https://www.copyright.gov/1201/2024/

I see in the "final rule" for 2024 (PDF) a section titled "11. Computer Programs—Repairs of Devices Designed Primarily for Use by Consumers", although it seems to indicate that nothing changed, as opposed to telling you what stayed the same.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#54
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> Why would they not be homogenous? Why would a business have the power to decide what should and what shouldn't be homogeneous about the property of others? A transaction took place, property has legally changed hands and the former owner is exerting control over property that isn't theirs any more. How about if the builder of your house comes into your home via an access route unknown to you, and starts rearranging…

This is a cool article, and neat he got it working in the end. One thing that is odd - if he blocked it calling home, it doesn't make sense that the kill code was issued remotely. It makes more sense that there is a line of code internally that kills the machine when it can't call home (which would be far less malicious).

That would in many ways be even worse because it means that if the manufacturer were to go out of business all of the stuff they sold would stop working. That's more malicious, not less.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#56

Whenever I read about robovac. I wonder gow good are these robot vacs really? Maybe it is just me, but surely would be less effort to hire a cleaner and they can do more than just vacuuming.

Sure, but a cleaner coming twice is the same cost of a robot vacuum that will work for a couple of years, typically. They do an okay enough job, but they need to run daily, sometimes twice a day, to really keep up considering it's limitations.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#57

Whenever I read about robovac. I wonder gow good are these robot vacs really? Maybe it is just me, but surely would be less effort to hire a cleaner and they can do more than just vacuuming.

When I bought my Roomba in 2013, it cost as much total as I pay my cleaning ladies to come once every two weeks. If your floors get dirty easily, it's not really going to get them spotless, but it'll get them far cleaner than they'd otherwise be.

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#58
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, no _moral_ right. They could probably stick a clause in there about the vacuum eating my pets for nourishment, but...

And now you've lost the plot or jumped the shark depending on which side of the pond you're on.

The point is it's good to complain

Re: Vacuum bricked after user blocks data collection – user mods it to run anyway

#59

Whenever I read about robovac. I wonder gow good are these robot vacs really? Maybe it is just me, but surely would be less effort to hire a cleaner and they can do more than just vacuuming.

People obviously find them useful. But I will reiterate a sibling comments recommendation, get one that can run Valetudo : https://github.com/Hypfer/Valetudo
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