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Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by crm9125 »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #27
crm9125 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Not if you want the economy to keep functioning. A lot of people doing real work (e.g. engineers flying out to fix medical devices) rely on air travel.

More people will die if the democrats capitulate, than those from malfunctioning medicals devices (or other reasons). I think you should do more research to understand the true cause and effect of the decisions in the current situation the U.S. finds itself in.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by ssl-3 »

Zagitta wrote: post #26
crm9125 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?

I'm an American, and I'm absolutely certain at this point in my life that I will never be able to afford to pay for an organ transplant to benefit myself or anyone that I know, regardless of any compatibile combination of need and availability that may arise.

Therefore, it will never happen.

So yes: I'd like to suggest that organ transplants may be in fact be luxuries.

(If the question were instead worded as "Should organ transplants be considered luxuries?" then my answer would be written very differently.)

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by fragmede »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

It's hard to eat retroactive dollars today. While some organizations are trying to make this sorta possible (specifically, I've heard that some banks are giving out loans to federal employees), why deal with all that and take out a loan when you could jump to that private sector job that your buddy's been trying to poach you for, for years? Y'know, the one that pays a lot better?

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by shawn_w »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

In theory, yes. But with this administration, who knows?

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Post by egonschiele »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

Yes, but if you decide to leave your job during the shutdown (say to find more stable work), you do not get paid for the unpaid hours you worked.

And as others are saying, plenty of people can't afford to work for no pay indefinitely.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by temp0826 »

Zagitta wrote: post #26
crm9125 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?

Can't tell if joking, healthcare is essentially a luxury now. An organ transplant could very likely lead to someone becoming destitute.

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Post by gazook89 »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

The administration has posited that they don’t have to do backpay for many positions. Currently, there is no reason anyone could expect norms to hold.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by metabagel »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

This administration is just as likely to provide back pay only to ATC employees in states which voted for our God Emperor.

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Post by wat10000 »

zermelo wrote: post #40

To most of the commentators saying "why work when you're not getting paid", please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't federal employees not paid during a government shutdown getting retroactive pay once funding has been restored?

They’re supposed to. I think even legally required to. But this administration doesn’t seem to care much about what it’s required to do.

In any case, many Americans have no appreciable savings. Getting paid someday when Congress gets its head out of its ass doesn’t feed your kids today.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by johncolanduoni »

sjm-lbm wrote: post #39
gruez wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Wikipedia contradicts you. >Before 1917, the U.S. had no debt ceiling. Congress either authorized specific loans or allowed the Treasury to issue certain debt instruments and individual debt issues for specific purposes. Sometimes Congress gave the Treasury discretion over what type of debt instrument would be issued.[25] The United States first instituted a statutory debt limit with the Second Liberty Bond A…

That's the debt ceiling, which is a different weird quirk of how the USG is funded. The relevant page for shutdowns is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_Un... "Funding gaps have led to shutdowns since 1980, when Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti issued a legal opinion requiring it. This opinion was not consistently adhered to through the 1980s, but since 1990 all funding gaps lasting l…

That an AG just came up with this in the 1980s based on an interpretation of an 1884 law (Antideficiency Act) is fascinating, thanks for sharing this. I always assumed this was an explicit own-goal by Congress like the debt ceiling, but it seems like it’s an unintended side effect.
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