Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ejecting for for no reason would end the pilot's flying career. Ejecting for any reason will result in an investigation, at minimum. Pilots are expected to fly the airplane until the last extremity. So while yes it's possible, it's unlikely, and the return on investment of making the plane able to do something like "return to base" in that circumstance would be a large negative number.
Even ejecting with good reason is enough to end a fighter pilot’s career. The rates for significant back injury are between 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 depending on the design.
If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
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Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#52I think the most proper thing for the jet should be to destroy itself. In a war enviornment I would not like my enemy to gain intel about my military jets.
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#53It seems like the sensible thing to do would be to fry / erase any IFF and encryption related stuff, but otherwise continue as before. E.g, if it's already been programmed to fly straight and level, continue to do that. If it's deactivated, stay deactivated. Just seems like a whole 'nother set of characteristics to test otherwise, as well as adding extra unpredictability. The aircraft is probably damaged / on fire, s…
If the autopilot is engaged, the pilot won't be ejecting, because the aircraft will be in some kind of controlled flight. Autopilots will be disengaging and lighting up a big red light in the cockpit well before the aircraft gets to the point where the pilot would consider ejecting. Remember that ejecting is an absolute last resort, since the pilot is quite likely to be injured and runs a significant risk of being ki…
1) Something is going catastrophically wrong with the plane. It's flying now, but soon that fire will burn through the hydraulics, safer to punch while it's still in controlled flight.
2) There is not enough fuel to put it on a runway. Once again, punch while it's still stable. We've even seen a civilian do that--ferry flight with one of those planes with an integrated parachute. He had a fancy rig with extra fuel in the cabin, it wouldn't feed. Without it he wasn't going to make Hawaii.
3) We have seen a Navy pilot correctly punch from a fully functional aircraft. He was on final when somebody launched an SM-2 at him. Low, slow, defenses off--no chance, he punched. He was pointed right at the carrier at the time, having an autopilot do something else would be a good idea. (There would always be a chance that the missile was destructed in time.)
And with semi-functional planes:
4) We have seen an Israeli pilot bring their bird back with one wing. He had to land very hot but there was a long enough runway, he was able to do it. But what if it's even worse? There can be enough damage that your minimum airspeed is above any runway you can reach or above what your wheels can handle. Or maybe the Navy would prefer the pilot to eject rather than risking a major mishap on the deck.
5) What if the problem is elsewhere? We have seen a pilot punch from an apparently-functional F-35. The problem was actually in his controls. (Yes, he has been found wrong--the first two investigations cleared him (if the plane is not responding properly to pilot inputs below 6,000' AGL, eject), they finally found a panel that would declare him wrong. Doesn't make him wrong.)
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#54A pilot would only eject if the aircraft was uncontrollable with no reasonable hope for recovery. Unlikely the autopilot can do anything deliberate at that point.
Unlikely, you say? That's why it's being discussed. Like, if a pilot ejected because the engines stop, but the control surfaces still work... Maybe the plane avoids a kindergarten on its dive to the earth-sky interface.
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the autopilot is engaged, the pilot won't be ejecting, because the aircraft will be in some kind of controlled flight. Autopilots will be disengaging and lighting up a big red light in the cockpit well before the aircraft gets to the point where the pilot would consider ejecting. Remember that ejecting is an absolute last resort, since the pilot is quite likely to be injured and runs a significant risk of being ki…
Disagree--it can be entirely sane to eject from a fully functional aircraft. 1) Something is going catastrophically wrong with the plane. It's flying now, but soon that fire will burn through the hydraulics, safer to punch while it's still in controlled flight. 2) There is not enough fuel to put it on a runway. Once again, punch while it's still stable. We've even seen a civilian do that--ferry flight with one of tho…
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even ejecting with good reason is enough to end a fighter pilot’s career. The rates for significant back injury are between 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 depending on the design.
My understanding is they're automatically retired from flight after the second (or maybe third?) ejection, not automatically after the first.
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#57Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#58The analysis and conclusions of the responders here (2018) seem pretty invalidated by the 2024 F-35B ejection incident. Maybe more thought should be put into what the autopilot should do? https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2024...
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#59I was astonished at the claim that pilots ejecting can lose half an inch of height due to spinal compression induced by the G-forces. Claims seem to be borne out: https://www.forcesnews.com/news/can-ejecting-aircraft-make-p... https://www.quora.com/Do-pilots-lose-height-when-they-eject-...
Making sure that the consequences are well-publicized also has the useful side-effect of making sure that ejection is regarded as a last resort.
Re: If a pilot ejects, what is the autopilot programmed to do? (2018)
#60> The only victim of the accident was Wim Delaere, a computer science student reported to have been either 18 or 19 years old.[4][5][1] He was sleeping alone after celebrating the end of his university exams the previous day when the MiG crashed and killed him at 10:30 am. His mother and brother were shopping for groceries in Kortrijk, and his father was working in Ypres.[4] From the linked Wikipedia article on one o…