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Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by criticalfault »

constantcrying wrote: post #6

Good, but this needs to happen on a much larger scale. These are "just" 1200 employees, but throughout Europe there are hundreds of millions of people working with Microsoft services and they all need to be torn out and replaced. >As for the reasoning behind this move, it was prompted by a risk analysis that showed foreign cloud services failed to meet the ministry's privacy requirements, particularly regarding GDPR…

All this money saved should be "unsaved" until a decent alternative is made. Everything that the government should spent here, should be invested into pan-european organization to develop a new office suite.

Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant. Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use.

Everyone I proposed this to tried it and said that its horrible and they don't want to use it. And I agree with them: because libre office is so sh*t, u use Google docs.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by thesuitonym »

criticalfault wrote: post #51
constantcrying wrote: post #6

Good, but this needs to happen on a much larger scale. These are "just" 1200 employees, but throughout Europe there are hundreds of millions of people working with Microsoft services and they all need to be torn out and replaced. >As for the reasoning behind this move, it was prompted by a risk analysis that showed foreign cloud services failed to meet the ministry's privacy requirements, particularly regarding GDPR…

All this money saved should be "unsaved" until a decent alternative is made. Everything that the government should spent here, should be invested into pan-european organization to develop a new office suite. Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant. Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use. Everyone I proposed this to tried it an…

> Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant.

Microsoft Office was already dominant long before LibreOffice started. Hell, MSO was already dominant when StarOffice was renamed OpenOffice.org, long before LibreOffice was a thought in anyone's mind.

> Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use.

You only feel this way because you're used to MS Office. Ask anyone who's more well versed in Google Workspace and they'll tell you that MS is difficult to use.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by Jaxan »

dfedbeef wrote: post #46
bogwog wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

It has crypt in the name

CryptPad uses end-to-end encryption for all documents. It has a very different use case than other collaborative office suites. You can of course still use it as a replacement, but in my experience opening documents takes a bit of time.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by odo1242 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

Has Nextcloud gotten to a point where it truly competes with Google Docs? Because every time I looked at it, it didnt look like it had feature parity. Being able to edit documents with others is one feature I want out of any alternatives that I can self-host.

You can run Libreoffice on Nextcloud with online editing, such that two people can open a file and edit it at the same time.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by timeon »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

Has Nextcloud gotten to a point where it truly competes with Google Docs? Because every time I looked at it, it didnt look like it had feature parity. Being able to edit documents with others is one feature I want out of any alternatives that I can self-host.

On the other hand, not depending on trans-ocean entity is feature Google Docs can't offer. And that one is high priority these days.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by jeroenhd »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

Has Nextcloud gotten to a point where it truly competes with Google Docs? Because every time I looked at it, it didnt look like it had feature parity. Being able to edit documents with others is one feature I want out of any alternatives that I can self-host.

https://nextcloud.com/office/ seems to be exactly that.

Self hosting seems to consist of "set up nextcloud, set up collabora, click the integration button" https://nextcloud.com/blog/how-to-install-nextcloud-office/

Or just `sudo docker run --init --sig-proxy=false --name nextcloud-aio-mastercontainer --restart always --publish 80:80 --publish 8080:8080 --publish 8443:8443 --volume nextcloud_aio_mastercontainer:/mnt/docker-aio-config --volume /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock:ro ghcr.io/nextcloud-releases/all-in-one:latest` if you follow these instructions: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by criticalfault »

thesuitonym wrote: post #52
criticalfault wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this money saved should be "unsaved" until a decent alternative is made. Everything that the government should spent here, should be invested into pan-european organization to develop a new office suite. Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant. Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use. Everyone I proposed this to tried it an…

> Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant. Microsoft Office was already dominant long before LibreOffice started. Hell, MSO was already dominant when StarOffice was renamed OpenOffice.org, long before LibreOffice was a thought in anyone's mind. > Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use. You only feel this way because you're use…

Yes Microsoft Office was already dominant. Why didn't libre office affect this dominance being 'so good'? It's also free, so it should be interesting to companies, right? Wrong. I recently set up an SME who when saw it ran away and immediately bought a Microsoft license, which means they would rather pay and be spied on than use libre office.

Believe it or not, people like nice things. Microsoft Office looks nice. Libre office looks like a car accident. It's shallow, I know, but this is the response I get every time.

Everyone I know hates it. It is a small sample, true, but it says something. So I think, the fact Microsoft is so strong is to be blamed on the alternatives, or in this case only one alternative.

We need to look at this as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Turn it around. If it would be good, people would jump on it. Especially small companies.

Google workspace is a web app, no? So it being better than desktop is comparing different things. I use it and I like it, especially since I don't need advanced Features Microsoft offers

We have no good alternative. We have an alternative.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by constantcrying »

criticalfault wrote: post #58
thesuitonym wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Libre office in my opinion is one of the reasons Microsoft is so dominant. Microsoft Office was already dominant long before LibreOffice started. Hell, MSO was already dominant when StarOffice was renamed OpenOffice.org, long before LibreOffice was a thought in anyone's mind. > Unfortunately, libre office, even though useful, is one of the worst desktop applications to use. You only feel this way because you're use…

Yes Microsoft Office was already dominant. Why didn't libre office affect this dominance being 'so good'? It's also free, so it should be interesting to companies, right? Wrong. I recently set up an SME who when saw it ran away and immediately bought a Microsoft license, which means they would rather pay and be spied on than use libre office. Believe it or not, people like nice things. Microsoft Office looks nice. Li…

>Google workspace is a web app, no?

American company, no alternative at all.

Microsoft products are web apps as well.

Re: Austrian ministry kicks out Microsoft in favor of Nextcloud

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Post by stronglikedan »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

Has Nextcloud gotten to a point where it truly competes with Google Docs? Because every time I looked at it, it didnt look like it had feature parity. Being able to edit documents with others is one feature I want out of any alternatives that I can self-host.

Collaborative editing is very niche, and I highly doubt it's used in government work.
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