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#51
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Tangential. It is fun to note how in ads showing watches the time is usually 9 past 10 as shown in the image. This apparently gives the most pleasing balance of the watch dials for the eye, while not covering the time indicators below.

It makes the watch face look like it's smiling.

Re: What if tariffs?

#52
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swatch makes thousands of different watches in all kinds of styles, from 80s-inspired neon fever dreams to understated mechanical watches. What type of watch are you looking for that they don't make?

> What type of watch are you looking for that they don't make? I’ll stick with my Patek Philippe Nautilus 5811 [1], thanks ;) Also Swiss btw. [1] https://www.patek.com/en/collection/nautilus/5811-1g-001

I guess beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder :-)

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post #32
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This would be more impactful if we could see the cost to US purchasers was actually 39% more. Sadly some manufacturers spread the cost across all consumers, which actually means non-US customers are actually paying some of the tariff costs too.

I imagine some manufacturers used tariffs as a reason to lower the price of their products that imported into the US while also raising the price outside of the US to balance that change, but that doesn't mean the manufacturer or their customers outside of the USA are paying anything towards tariffs. The entire tariff transaction is between the customer and the US government, and it's all transacted within the USA. T…

Afaik it was distributors not manufacturers who sacrificed margin.

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#55
post #32
post #21

This would be more impactful if we could see the cost to US purchasers was actually 39% more. Sadly some manufacturers spread the cost across all consumers, which actually means non-US customers are actually paying some of the tariff costs too.

I imagine some manufacturers used tariffs as a reason to lower the price of their products that imported into the US while also raising the price outside of the US to balance that change, but that doesn't mean the manufacturer or their customers outside of the USA are paying anything towards tariffs. The entire tariff transaction is between the customer and the US government, and it's all transacted within the USA. T…

Let’s say I’m a widget seller in the US, and my widgets cost $100 to import from Switzerland before tariffs. I retail them at $150 USD in the US, but I sell internationally. In the UK for example, I retail them at £113 (simple conversion, obviously it doesn’t really work like this).

Now tariffs are imposed, my import cost per widget is $139. Not only do I have to jack up my US price to $189, I have to jack up my UK price to £142, meaning UK customers are also paying the tariff now.

Even if you’re a bit smarter about your logistics and use an FTZ or drawback against the import duties, imagine you sell two widgets, one where you don’t pay import duties (bound for the UK) and one where you do (remaining in the US). Your total cost to import is $239.

Instead of making your US customers eat all the cost of the tariff, you might instead adjust your retail prices to $170 and £128 respectively. Again, now your British customers are paying an increased price due to the tariffs.

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#56
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It flies in the face of any common sense. The consumer paying the tariff is merely an optimization over the exporter paying the tariff such that the tariff money passes through one less hand. Practically they seem pretty similar.

The exporter gets paid the same as before. The buyer pays more. There's a subtle difference, can you spot it?

Without knowing what the product and market structure is, you cannot tell if the cost of the tariff will be borne by the seller or the buyer.

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#57

I like that it's priced at 139

For a "statement" piece and limited edition with otherwise no notable features I'm surprised how cheap it is.

It's a Swatch, their prices don't go much higher.

If it were a Rolex or a Patek Philippe that did the same, I'm sure there'd be another zero at the end.

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#58
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It flies in the face of any common sense. The consumer paying the tariff is merely an optimization over the exporter paying the tariff such that the tariff money passes through one less hand. Practically they seem pretty similar.

The exporter gets paid the same as before. The buyer pays more. There's a subtle difference, can you spot it?

This isn’t actually how it works though. Who pays the tariff is the same as who pays a tax: it depends on the price elasticity of supply and demand.

If the demand curve is very price sensitive - like people might stop buying wool blankets if the price went up 50%, and buy cotton blankets instead - then the tariff will be paid by the suppliers, because they must lower their prices to make the final price the same.

And similarly, if the buyers are inelastic, they will pay the tariff. Like for baby formula, maybe parents are willing to stomach significant price hikes without changing how much they buy.

Re: What if tariffs?

#59
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It flies in the face of any common sense. The consumer paying the tariff is merely an optimization over the exporter paying the tariff such that the tariff money passes through one less hand. Practically they seem pretty similar.

The exporter gets paid the same as before. The buyer pays more. There's a subtle difference, can you spot it?

Let's imagine, hypothetically speaking, that demand is perfectly inelastic. The price of a good is $10, and buyers will absolutely refuse to pay more than $10 under any circumstances.

Before a tariff is imposed, the seller sells the good for $10 and keeps $10 in revenue.

If a tariff of $1 is imposed under these hypothetical circumstances, does the buyer pay more? Does the exporter get paid the same as before?

Clearly, it's neither guaranteed that the buyer will "pay more" nor that the export will "get paid the same as before". In reality because demand is neither 100% elastic nor 100% inelastic, what tends to happen is that the cost of the tariff is split in some ratio between the buyer and seller.

I find it mildly amusing that there are so many people claiming that it's 100% on one side or other, when it's trivially easy to see why that can't be GUARANTEED TO BE the case.

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