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How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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AI slop, yadda yadda, I get it... But I just want to say, as a former failed bedroom producer who just doesn't have the time (and skill) to make the kind of music I want... I had a BLAST using Suno. I was able to "remaster" some of my old tracks, add in new sections, etc, and isolate/download/edit the stems. I understand it's not fully my creative output... but hearing one of my old, shitty, ableton live projects rem…

Tracks very well with something I saw recently, that the biggest fans of and users of generative AI for writing (and in your case music) are people who want to write a book but never got around to doing it, not people who want to read and pay for books

“I never got around to it” is a useful filter. Actual artists are able to pass through it because they are driven to do the work.

If some retired lawyer wants to “write” a novel, good for them I guess. But AI is not the only reason it won’t be worth reading. The other problem is that the “writer” is actually just a reader. Consuming and producing are totally different.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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So let’s encourage more slop at an accelerated pace? That’s our answer to everything huh. We’ve been doing “arguably bad thing” X, so let’s amplify it.

Let people have fun.

Let the fire burn through everything, it's fun to watch. That until it consumes the land under you. Well, this is metaphorically speaking.

I have no problem with AI tools per see, however what bothers me is the flood of sloop that is inescapable. If things were tagged AI and I could opt out when I'm not looking for that kind of content I'd be totally fine with it, it's just a took after all.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

#53

Advertising AI for medical purposes seems to be the new trend. That sells easier than "45,000 job losses". The result is still unbearable. YouTube videos with AI slop background are an instant no-watch.

Did you read the article? There was no mention of medical treatments. There are arguments to be made. This isn't one of them.

The comment you reply to does not mention medical treatments. Stephen Hawking's voice synthesizer was not a treatment, but a technological solution for a medical issue.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

#54

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Don't bother, the slop line has been drawn in the sand and people will stay on their side. I also think that slop is low effort and/or low/zero iteration output, but beyond that the sloppiness fades away, but good luck convincing the hardcore slop hunters to see things in a nuanced way (in before ocean boiling, that's usually where that argument goes next).

It’s a very useful line in the sand. No Gen AI anywhere near art. Once you add in a level of nuance, youre bickering about the degree which is far worse argument to be having, tactically.

Who knew that nuance was the enemy of rational thought.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

#55
My honest review, as a musician who has spent many years of my life making music and both giving and receiving blunt critique:

Stunningly mediocre. Worthy of a Pitchfork 1/10. If your choice truly is between having AI make "art" that you pass off as your own vs not doing so, then please remember that, as a wise man once said, an artist understands the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity.

I can't see how "chronic health issues" make it impossible to write and sequence original music, but it does allow for the AI workflow described in the post? Modern DAWs are incredibly accessible. You don't have to put out this horrible tuneless samey music; you can just work on honing your craft.

Shortcuts are incredibly appealing because it can be so difficult and unrewarding to build up our musical skills. But then what you make is uniquely yours and reflects every minute spent on it. If you use something like Suno, the results (especially based on what I heard) are not unique to you. You could never have existed, and those musical tracks easily could have come out of the cold weights of a neural network sounding about the same.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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post #54

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It’s a very useful line in the sand. No Gen AI anywhere near art. Once you add in a level of nuance, youre bickering about the degree which is far worse argument to be having, tactically.

Who knew that nuance was the enemy of rational thought.

It’s the enemy of successful organization.

I have thoughts on when AI is appropriate, but the conversations I want to be having is ‘how do we oppose AI’ and not ‘why is my specific definition of what is Ok better than your very similar one’.

Also, once Any AI is allowed, each step beyond that will be barely worth fighting for because it’s only just beyond acceptability.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

#57
This brings up an interesting philosophical question about AI assistance for those with disabilities. It reminds me of the debate when NanoWriMo said they would allow AI assistance for similar reasons.

We could make an argument based on equity. AI assistance levels the playing field. Something doesn't quite sit right with me though. Last weekend I was watching a band perform where each member of the band had down syndrome. I don't mean to compare the author's condition to down syndrome, little is said about his condition and I didn't read the linked article. And of course, many people with down syndrome did not get the opportunity to learn to play an instrument, whether from nature or nurture. But still, watching them play you get that feeling about how it's awesome when people strive for competence despite the obstacles.

I can't help but feeling those who use AI assistance are unknowingly capping their upside. The author's condition sounds painful and upsetting. But a major component of why practicing a creative craft is good for self-develoment is because the artist must confront and overcome self-doubt. We all suffer from the feeling of not being good enough. When you use AI to overcome those limits, do you confront the doubt? It feels more to me like you're a manager who is pleasantly surprised with the work your direct reports created. Rather than evoking a sense of wonder at your own latent competence. Which is what happens when you confront the negative feelings of self-doubt.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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So let’s encourage more slop at an accelerated pace? That’s our answer to everything huh. We’ve been doing “arguably bad thing” X, so let’s amplify it.

Let people have fun.

I think this technology is a net gain for the elderly. It's so easy to be creative and have great results.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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They are delusional or misinformed: suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated . It is not informed of this information, it's not even informed about previous times it was invoked, it's wholly amnesiac.

> suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated I don't know exactly what training material went into Suno's models, but if it includes random collections of text from the internet, it could very well have included "man, AI is fucking stupid and I treat it as such" in it's training datasets. Now I won't claim that that suddenly makes the models "aware" of it, because surely we'll understand "aware"…

Aren't we talking about the auditory quality of the generated vocals? I'm don't understand how you could possibly think the textual training data could possibly impact the perceived vocal strain (which are actually just artifacts) of the generated vocals.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't bother, the slop line has been drawn in the sand and people will stay on their side. I also think that slop is low effort and/or low/zero iteration output, but beyond that the sloppiness fades away, but good luck convincing the hardcore slop hunters to see things in a nuanced way (in before ocean boiling, that's usually where that argument goes next).

It’s a very useful line in the sand. No Gen AI anywhere near art. Once you add in a level of nuance, youre bickering about the degree which is far worse argument to be having, tactically.

So you're saying your perception of what is or isn't art is ideologically motivated? That seems like the worse "tactical" argument.

Why don't we scrap anything that uses ableton because it makes art sterile [1][2]. Or maybe anything that uses autotune [3]. Maybe we can have stickers that say "AI free". Or maybe the fact that suno is a distribution platform that doesn't encourage creation of the _form_ of art that that I like is the problem [4].

It's a tool. Your view that art exists in some purist state and isn't for people to enjoy is extremist. This war has been fought and lost, continuously, about every innovation in music. People want to enjoy things. You can tell by their pattern of consumption.

[1] https://www.wired.com/2002/05/laptop-2 [2] https://web.uvic.ca/~aschloss/publications/JNMR02_Dilemma_of... [3] https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/vocal-fixes [4] https://www.salon.com/2003/06/18/itunes_innovation

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