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Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

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Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

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We're entering a world where hacking facial recognition is going to be a big thing. People are going to start wearing masks in public because of ICE, and to avoid repercussions for going to protests, and that's going to normalize a slippery slope. We're going to end up all Anonymous.

That's not new though.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#52
Facial recognition, biometrics and ID verification are all flawed systems, based on a government or country that is running behind in digitization. In other countries, government operated digital identity management systems are integrated already [0], and banks provide age verification systems that protect your identity and don't involve uploading your ID or mugshot to one of many 3rd parties [1]. It's basically like an online payment, but instead of "I confirm this has been paid" it's a "I confirm this user is 18+" signal.

I don't understand why these new age check systems are years behind on technological reality.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiD

[1] https://www.idin.nl/en/

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#53
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the law doesn't force them to have a fallback. Anyone that the AI doesn't like is therefore excluded from those services.

And this is the issue. 100%. Edge cases are fine. Not having simple, easy ways to resolve it should be illegal for any form of ID verification. One example? Some of these apps require a Google Play account to install. Or an Apple account. This is unacceptable. Why would anyone be gatewayed to their, for example, government services by having a valid Google account? Or their bank?! Google bans people. Cuts them off. D…

at least in germany, once it becomes evident that an account is needed in order to use services that are vital for the participation in society, banning effectively becomes illegal.

though hopefully they will also enforce that such services must not rely on foreign companies that will share personal data outside of the EU.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#54

We're entering a world where hacking facial recognition is going to be a big thing. People are going to start wearing masks in public because of ICE, and to avoid repercussions for going to protests, and that's going to normalize a slippery slope. We're going to end up all Anonymous.

Countries with internet age verification don't have ICE. At least for now.

I thought a bunch of US states had it? IIRC there was a fuss a while back about Pornhub blocking them.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#56
post #12

I wonder how it might affect people with medical conditions that make their faces look unusual. If the law only applies to pornography, most people in that situation might not want to go talk to a journalist about it.

Then they supply govt. ID. The law does not mandate check via camera.

How about "Then Ofcom fucks off, and the Government apologizes for its stupidity and moves to repeal the OSA"?

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#57

The UK's Online Safety Act requires website owners to verify ages but it doesn't prescribe specific methods for doing so. It is the vendor supplying the website he is visiting that told him to do that.

> The UK's Online Safety Act requires website owners to verify ages but it doesn't prescribe specific methods for doing so.

... and just ignores the fact that there are no sane or remotely appropriate ways to implement that. As well as the fact that it's a silly goal to begin with.

> It is the vendor supplying the website he is visiting that told him to do that.

... after making a guess as to what would be the least bad way of implementing this foolish mandate.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

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post #30
post #9

Add this to: Falsehoods lawmakers believe about faces.

Also: Falsehoods lawmakers believe about bodies. Conservative politicians tend to be transphobic, because they can't understand that biology makes exceptions.

Conservative politicians mostly do that because it works great as a populist instrument.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

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post #30
post #9

Add this to: Falsehoods lawmakers believe about faces.

Also: Falsehoods lawmakers believe about bodies. Conservative politicians tend to be transphobic, because they can't understand that biology makes exceptions.

Our bodies and minds are the most complex machines on Earth. They make computers look trivial.

Stuff goes wrong or different, like, a lot. A lot of the time.

Re: Britain's most tattooed man says UK's age check told him to "remove his face"

#60

Facial recognition, biometrics and ID verification are all flawed systems, based on a government or country that is running behind in digitization. In other countries, government operated digital identity management systems are integrated already [0], and banks provide age verification systems that protect your identity and don't involve uploading your ID or mugshot to one of many 3rd parties [1]. It's basically like…

I think the pretty reliable method of biometrics are fingerprints, right? Not great online, but can't really be altered in real life.

I'm not proposing to use them online, just thinking that they work really well with borders/passports. Very difficult to beat these checks.

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