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MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by maxloh »

znpy wrote: post #33
weinzierl wrote: post #4

Not a full replacement but there is Garage, which was quite well received in other HN threads. https://git.deuxfleurs.fr/Deuxfleurs/garage

Afaik Ceph has its own object-storage functionality as well, which seems to be S3-compatible: https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/radosgw/#object-gateway

Yeah. They also created a open source test suite for S3 clones.

  This is a set of unofficial Amazon AWS S3 compatibility tests, that can be useful to people implementing software that exposes an S3-like API. The tests use the Boto2 and Boto3 libraries.
https://github.com/ceph/s3-tests

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by eptcyka »

weli wrote: post #35
Tepix wrote: post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation, people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation. You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images especially after a CVE and with no prior notice (except a hidden commit 4 days ago that updated the README) is approaching malicious-level actions. If they truly cared ab…

Nobody signed any service level agreements, the docker images were provided on good will. If this is business critical for you, consider paying someone to solve this problem for you. Maybe even consider paying for a F/OSS solution so you are not the only one funding what should be a community effort.

I do concede that they could’ve done a better job communicating these changes. But they don’t have to.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jinkylist »

luke5441 wrote: post #37
some-ai-dev wrote: post #22

I wonder how many people only use Minio as a localdev S3 alternative. At least that's all we use it for really

Every time I used it for more than that I ran into performance and other concerns (like durability and consistency) pretty quickly. I cannot imagine how this is used seriously when there is something like Ceph available. Turns out most file systems are horrible key-value stores.

>I cannot imagine how this is used seriously when there is something like Ceph available.

Adopting Ceph is adopting a Ceph engineer, any use-case with the need and funding to run Ceph on production would easily be able to pay for commercial licenses and/or contribute majorly to this or their own fork. They work in different ball-parks entirely

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by Ekaros »

phatfish wrote: post #45
weli wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation, people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation. You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images especially after a CVE and with no prior notice (except a hidden commit 4 days ago that updated the README) is approaching malicious-level actions. If they truly cared ab…

This only inconveniences open source freeloaders. Maybe you can volunteer some time to build Docker images?

Fork and build your own. Isn't that the whole open source ethos? Why it was invented and how it is intended to operate.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by arghwhat »

weli wrote: post #35
Tepix wrote: post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

When you always published and built Docker images for the public you are creating an expectation, people will rely on that and will chose your software based on that expectation. You suddenly deciding that you won't be offering updated Docker images especially after a CVE and with no prior notice (except a hidden commit 4 days ago that updated the README) is approaching malicious-level actions. If they truly cared ab…

There is absolutely nothing malicious or suspicious about deciding not to provide docker images or binaries. Doing so does not hide or guard you against CVE's, which are entirely unrelated to such optional processes.

Building minio is not only trivial, but is standard procedure - the latest release is in my distributions standard package repo, and they would not use prebuilt binaries. If you want that dockerized, the Dockerfile is shorter than the command-line to run said container. Dealing with Docker themselves, the corporation that has famously gone on a tax collection spree, is however quite the pain in the arse for a company.

I can't stand the entitlement people (everyone, not one particular person) feel when they are provided things for free. Sure, minio is run by a corporation these days and this applies a bit more to smaller FOSS projects, but the complaint is that the silver spoon got replaced with a stainless steel one. You're still being fed for free, despite having done nothing for it.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by muragekibicho »

imiric wrote: post #34

Shame. Textbook OSS rug pull. These people love to rely on OSS, and claim how committed they are to contribute to the ecosystem and to their community, but as soon as people are drawn to the project, start relying on it and using it in the same spirit of OSS that they enjoy themselves (which their chosen license allows, mind you), then it becomes a financial burden, priorities shift to their commercial offering, ther…

Isn't your diatribe contradictory. Your last paragraph appears to contradict your 'beliefs'.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by ezascanbe »

Full disclosure: I work for Cloudian.

While I understand the frustration with MinIO’s approach here, I want to be upfront about what Cloudian HyperStore is and isn’t - it is designed for multi-node, multi-site deployments (think 3+ nodes minimum) and performs best on bare metal or dedicated infrastructure rather than containerized environments.

It’s a very mature S3 and offers IAM, SQS and STS endpoints as well.

If you’re running MinIO at scale in production and looking at migration options, I’m happy to connect you with our team who can discuss whether HyperStore makes sense for your use case. That said, for single-node dev environments or lightweight deployments that many here are using MinIO for, the community alternatives mentioned in this thread are probably better fits. Different tools for different scales. Happy to answer any technical questions about HyperStore’s architecture if helpful.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jinkylist »

imiric wrote: post #34

Shame. Textbook OSS rug pull. These people love to rely on OSS, and claim how committed they are to contribute to the ecosystem and to their community, but as soon as people are drawn to the project, start relying on it and using it in the same spirit of OSS that they enjoy themselves (which their chosen license allows, mind you), then it becomes a financial burden, priorities shift to their commercial offering, ther…

>It only works if everyone in the ecosystem is honest

In general, applying this to anything with the general public, I don't expect it to work. This is why we have laws, licenses and rules in the first place. You can preach all you want but it won't change humanity, you need something concrete, something written and agreed, like a license.

Not all licenses protect the freedoms and rights you're used to in other licenses, and it needs to be taken into account when adopting any project. License terms that don't guarantee any sort of support or updates when you need them aren't in consideration at that point.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by killingtime74 »

ezascanbe wrote: post #57

Full disclosure: I work for Cloudian. While I understand the frustration with MinIO’s approach here, I want to be upfront about what Cloudian HyperStore is and isn’t - it is designed for multi-node, multi-site deployments (think 3+ nodes minimum) and performs best on bare metal or dedicated infrastructure rather than containerized environments. It’s a very mature S3 and offers IAM, SQS and STS endpoints as well. If y…

What is Cloudian? You guys didn't develop Minio did you? (Google says Minio Inc?) If you did it's hard to tell.

Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images

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Post by jinkylist »

Aeolun wrote: post #48
Tepix wrote: post #12

It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…

They are entitled to stop building docker images. Their users are entitled to get salty and go find alternative products. If that is Minio’s expectation, then all is good, but it seems kinda counterproductive? I never liked minio, but I certainly wouldn’t use it after seeing them remove features.

>I certainly wouldn’t use it after seeing them remove features.

All sorts of projects remove features all the time though, even the linux kernel drops support for hardware that may or may not be in use somewhere

>Their users are entitled to get salty and go find alternative products.

People are entitled to feeling things of course, others will only point out that it may not be justified and that the user is liable to get hurt again if they never adjust their expectations to meet reality

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