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Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by syllogism »

monooso wrote: post #33
nomilk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, Kramnick pointed out Danya's behaviour was erratic and suspected alcohol or drug use (everyone else broached it much more sensitively, saying drugs was a ridiculous notion, and giving him space/privacy but perhaps suspecting possible mental health, mental breakdown, or maybe narcolepsy). Kramnick may have been forthright and lacking tact, but it was clear from Danya's behaviours that he sadly…

Kramnick repeatedly accused Danya of cheating, which prompted a lot of ongoing abuse from his acolytes. Danya spoke publicly about the stress this caused him several times. Of course, as ever, Kramnick had nothing to back up his claims, a fact which in no way prevented him repeating them ad-nauseum. That's not being "forthright" or "lacking tact". That's being an abusive asshole.

This has been discussed to death but to reiterate here: people have been much too polite about Kramnick's nonsense. Danya and Hikaru are (were) probably the two people in the world whose bullet play is least suspicious. Cheating isn't very powerful in short time controls, and they have streamed thousands of games playing them.

Kramnick's bullshit never made any damn sense at all.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by nonethewiser »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #35
JohnLocke4 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest we stop speculating about the cause of death and instead wait for an official announcement to be made. Please respect the family at this time.

I get respecting the family while grieving but let’s be real here, is anyone from the family realistically going to even find let alone care about random strangers speculating on a random internet platform that isn’t even related to chess? The chance of this even reaching them is infinitesimally small. We’re not standing around talking about it with them in the room, we shouldn’t be pretending like we are.

Its definitely normal to wonder "what happened?"

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by beaker52 »

I am deeply saddened by Danya's passing. I'm not a massive chess player, but I regard him as one of the top 10 most awe inspiring individuals I've had the pleasure of witnessing through his YT channel. I was genuinely awed and impressed by the guy. As deeply as I am saddened, I am also angered by the context within which he has passed. Extremely angry. So extremely angry.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by colechristensen »

greedo wrote: post #34

I (like many) started playing chess online during COVID and despite being too damn old, I wanted to see how high I could climb in ratings. Soon I found Danya, then Gotham, then IMRosen. All who loved this damn game so much. Even found I liked Hikaru though as an oldster, so many of his memes went over my head. I soon realized that no matter how hard I tried, I would never be ranked, and I was fine with that because l…

You might not ever get titled, but a 1400 online is very much good enough to join your national chess federation and be middle of the pack competitive in local rated chess tournaments and the like.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by y-curious »

janalsncm wrote: post #42

Really devastating. He was my favorite chess streamer and such a genuine person. I remember distinctly every time his opponent was suspected of cheating he was adamant in giving them the benefit of the doubt. No matter what we find out in the next few days, I wish authorities had taken Kramnik’s cyber bullying more seriously. It’s a stain on chess that this is allowed to continue. To take the conversation in a more t…

Yes, Kramnik’s BS was a large stressor on Danya and just a damn shame. Today is a dark day.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by colechristensen »

RandomBacon wrote: post #24

Regarding the flagged/dead comment that links to concern about Daniel Naroditsky's health a few days ago, I don't think burrying our heads in the sand is correct approach now. It might have been wise to respect his privacy and not talk about him publicly and while he was alive and could read it, but now that posting it cannot affect his mental health, perhaps mental health awareness is important to talk about. (A sid…

Morbid curiosity is maybe natural but I think it's bad form for a bunch of online speculation into cause of death by armchair researchers. He's a real person and his family and friends are real people and they deserve freedom from that kind of speculation running wild across the Internet. There's no benefit for anyone, it's just curiosity that shouldn't be engaged in.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by heartbreak »

sexyman48 wrote: post #14

If life could be measured in potential moves considered, he lived several lifetimes. Sad to see such a force of nature expire so soon. Condolences to the Russian chick and their kid.

> Condolences to the Russian chick and their kid.

The statement from CCC doesn’t mention him having a kid. Pretty sure he did not have one.

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by programjames »

colechristensen wrote: post #56
RandomBacon wrote: post #24

Regarding the flagged/dead comment that links to concern about Daniel Naroditsky's health a few days ago, I don't think burrying our heads in the sand is correct approach now. It might have been wise to respect his privacy and not talk about him publicly and while he was alive and could read it, but now that posting it cannot affect his mental health, perhaps mental health awareness is important to talk about. (A sid…

Morbid curiosity is maybe natural but I think it's bad form for a bunch of online speculation into cause of death by armchair researchers. He's a real person and his family and friends are real people and they deserve freedom from that kind of speculation running wild across the Internet. There's no benefit for anyone, it's just curiosity that shouldn't be engaged in.

I would prefer you refer to it as "courtesy" or "consideration" rather than "freedom".

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by DuperPower »

colechristensen wrote: post #56
RandomBacon wrote: post #24

Regarding the flagged/dead comment that links to concern about Daniel Naroditsky's health a few days ago, I don't think burrying our heads in the sand is correct approach now. It might have been wise to respect his privacy and not talk about him publicly and while he was alive and could read it, but now that posting it cannot affect his mental health, perhaps mental health awareness is important to talk about. (A sid…

Morbid curiosity is maybe natural but I think it's bad form for a bunch of online speculation into cause of death by armchair researchers. He's a real person and his family and friends are real people and they deserve freedom from that kind of speculation running wild across the Internet. There's no benefit for anyone, it's just curiosity that shouldn't be engaged in.

its not mórbid wanting to know if a Young person commited suicide

Re: Chess grandmaster Daniel Naroditsky has died

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Post by Barrin92 »

Horrible news, he wasn't even 30 years old.

There's something oddly devastating about seeing people pass away in these online communities. I've never been one to really be affected by celebrities passing away, but I remember a few years when Geoff Robinson died (who was active in the Starcraft scene) that one hit me surprisingly badly as well.

Obviously it's banal in a sense because you always know people can die, but there's something very weird about seeing someone livestream one day and then you just get a headline like this on the next.

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