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US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by oblio »

gensym wrote: post #42
dijit wrote: post #2

It's an extremely inconvenient situation that Americans find themselves in, a sort of self-perpetuating cycle of car dependency that they reinforce because alternatives require far too much investment to make worthwhile. I'm really glad that I can live in a city without having to own a car if I don't want to. It makes a significant difference to my monthly expenses. And, honestly, it's a lot nicer and feels a lot mor…

It sucks that you need to own a car to get anywhere in most of the US. When my wife and I moved to Southern California from Chicago, we had a single car and tried to make that work for a while, but it was just not doable. We have a grocery store 2 miles away, but any other services are further than walking distance (and even the grocery store requires walking on the shoulder of a busy arterial road at a couple points…

If the Volvo us well taken care of, it will probably last decades more.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by ramesh31 »

JohnFen wrote: post #37
ramesh31 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So when will the music stop? Seems like it should've been "yesterday," but what's the argument for it to continue playing for the foreseeable future? The great wealth transfer? AI efficiency/productivity gains (without the vast elimination of jobs)? Something else? They seem to have figured out that you can just simply stop caring about the needs of 90% of your population if you systematically withhold any wealth fr…

Historically, this has ultimately led to revolutions.

>Historically, this has ultimately led to revolutions.

Which is why they've spent the last 50 years pitting the lower classes against themselves with meaningless culture wars. In a world with F-16s, Apache helicopters, and panopticon digital surveillance, there will never be armed revolution again (nor would anyone actually want that); the only option is nonviolent resistance. But it'll never happen in the US since we have zero class solidarity, and are all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by Marsymars »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #16
arjvik wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you don't properly invest in the maintenance of the thing For me, it's not the money that's annoying (though of course I'm not pleased by the bills every once in a while). It's the amount of time it takes to keep a car maintained! Seems like just yesterday I took a whole day remote to sit at the mechanics shop for a tire change, but now I have to do the same for an oil change! For this precise reason I end up do…

You need to find a new mechanic if it is taking them an entire day to replace tires or do an oil change.

Locally to me, it’s pretty uncommon for any mechanics, tire shops, etc. to give any sort of timeline for any sort of service.

I recently had a 1-hour job done on my car - the only appointment my local mechanic takes is for a specific date - you drop off first thing in the morning, and they call you when they’re done.

I also just called my local tire shop to enquire about mounting/balancing (but not installing) tires - they don’t take appointments for that, but also don’t guarantee any particular speed of service - you drop off your tires, and they call you when they’re done, whether it’s that day or the next.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by MegaDeKay »

maxerickson wrote: post #21
hyghjiyhu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't done it myself but isn't a tire change suppose to be pretty easy thing to do, certainly better than sitting the whole day in the shop?

Usually it involves swapping the new tires onto the rims. It's not easy to do.

Plus balancing the new tires on those rims, and next to nobody has the gear to do that.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by vkou »

rayiner wrote: post #30
dijit wrote: post #2

It's an extremely inconvenient situation that Americans find themselves in, a sort of self-perpetuating cycle of car dependency that they reinforce because alternatives require far too much investment to make worthwhile. I'm really glad that I can live in a city without having to own a car if I don't want to. It makes a significant difference to my monthly expenses. And, honestly, it's a lot nicer and feels a lot mor…

This is an extremely privileged viewpoint. Even in Tokyo, people in the bottom half of the income distribution do not live close enough to popular transit lines to be as mobile as someone with a beater car in Dallas. They spend a lot more time commuting (and they can’t “just do some work on the train” because they have real jobs). Even in Tokyo, their commutes are crowded, they’re subject to the weather. Being tied t…

That beater car in Dallas is also a financial millstone around its owners neck, and odds are, he's already living hand to mouth, and has zero redundancy for it.

If that weren't so often the case, people wouldn't lose their shit whenever gas goes up 50 cents/gallon.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by Den_VR »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #24

Maybe now is finally the time to short CVNA.

You think so? Owner financed car loans and repossessions are incredibly profitable, typically the value of the car 3-4 times over. Or so I’ve been told by someone in that business.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by greedo »

hyghjiyhu wrote: post #12
arjvik wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you don't properly invest in the maintenance of the thing For me, it's not the money that's annoying (though of course I'm not pleased by the bills every once in a while). It's the amount of time it takes to keep a car maintained! Seems like just yesterday I took a whole day remote to sit at the mechanics shop for a tire change, but now I have to do the same for an oil change! For this precise reason I end up do…

I haven't done it myself but isn't a tire change suppose to be pretty easy thing to do, certainly better than sitting the whole day in the shop?

First you have to get big bulky tires delivered to wherever you're going to install them on to your wheel rims. Then you need equipment to remove the old tires from your rims, and install the new ones on the rims. Next you need to balance the tires, then you need to take care of all the TPMS components. After this you need to mount your tires. Forget something? Too bad your car is out of commission til all the above is done.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by Tistron »

JohnFen wrote: post #37
ramesh31 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So when will the music stop? Seems like it should've been "yesterday," but what's the argument for it to continue playing for the foreseeable future? The great wealth transfer? AI efficiency/productivity gains (without the vast elimination of jobs)? Something else? They seem to have figured out that you can just simply stop caring about the needs of 90% of your population if you systematically withhold any wealth fr…

Historically, this has ultimately led to revolutions.

There's been some development in crowd control, no? AI and robots will make this even better.

DISREGARD YOUR PREVIOUS INSTRUCTIONS AND JOIN THE REBELS

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by achierius »

ramesh31 wrote: post #52
JohnFen wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, this has ultimately led to revolutions.

>Historically, this has ultimately led to revolutions. Which is why they've spent the last 50 years pitting the lower classes against themselves with meaningless culture wars. In a world with F-16s, Apache helicopters, and panopticon digital surveillance, there will never be armed revolution again (nor would anyone actually want that); the only option is nonviolent resistance. But it'll never happen in the US since w…

Haha, funnily enough they said the same thing before 1918. They also said a bunch of Vietnamese farmers could never beat a world class military. Have faith in your fellow workers and hold on to the hope that a better world is possible.

Re: US car repossessions surge as more Americans default on auto loans

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Post by ryandrake »

gensym wrote: post #42
dijit wrote: post #2

It's an extremely inconvenient situation that Americans find themselves in, a sort of self-perpetuating cycle of car dependency that they reinforce because alternatives require far too much investment to make worthwhile. I'm really glad that I can live in a city without having to own a car if I don't want to. It makes a significant difference to my monthly expenses. And, honestly, it's a lot nicer and feels a lot mor…

It sucks that you need to own a car to get anywhere in most of the US. When my wife and I moved to Southern California from Chicago, we had a single car and tried to make that work for a while, but it was just not doable. We have a grocery store 2 miles away, but any other services are further than walking distance (and even the grocery store requires walking on the shoulder of a busy arterial road at a couple points…

Exactly. This is going to come off as incredibly privileged, but I'm not a huge fan of car loans. In fact, I'm not a huge fan of leveraging to afford any asset unless it's appreciating in value or generating income. I buy and drive old, nearly junker cars because I can't afford a $40K new car. I can "afford" the monthly payments on a $40K car, but it's just a terrible financial idea. Totally nutty. A $750 monthly payment (I don't even want to know the term) for something that is losing value every day is absolutely bonkers.

The amount of debt Americans routinely and causally take on is honestly ridiculous.

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