Great! Now if you go full homelab, you can get 1/30th of the price ;)
Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#52Makes sense. If you don't need the redundancy, certification/legals or the big cloud 100s of integrated other lego blocks then big cloud vps prices just are a rip off.
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worth noting that this seems to be about Hetzners cloud product, not the dedicated servers. The cloud product is relatively new, and most of the people who move to Hetzner do so because of the dedicated instances, not to use their cloud.
Hetzner's cloud offering is probably a decade old by now - I've been a very happy customer for 8 years.
You're right! I seem to have mixed it with some other dedi provider that added "cloud" recently. Thanks for the correction!
My point of people moving to Hetzner for the dedicated instances rather than the cloud still remains though, at least in my bubble.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Less biased view of "Hetzner on HN": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... (skipping all comments from this submission) In the end, Hetzner is a provider of "cheap but not 100% uptime" infrastructure, probably why it's so cheap in the first place. As every other provider, if you want 100% uptime (or getting close to it), you really need at least N+1 instances of everything , as every hosting…
Can you name a provider with 100% uptime? Or is it 100%¹?
No, which is why I wrote "As every other provider, if you want 100% uptime ..."
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#55I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…
I have used wholesaleinternet.net and they are centrally located in the USA.
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Less biased view of "Hetzner on HN": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... (skipping all comments from this submission) In the end, Hetzner is a provider of "cheap but not 100% uptime" infrastructure, probably why it's so cheap in the first place. As every other provider, if you want 100% uptime (or getting close to it), you really need at least N+1 instances of everything , as every hosting…
Can you name a provider with 100% uptime? Or is it 100%¹?
No one provides 100% uptime for core compute. That’s their point. Also, good luck extracting anything out of those companies that offer 99.99% and don’t meet it.
Sure they’ll throw you some service credits. But it’ll always be magnitudes less than the cost of their disruption to you.
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#57Their Storage box offerings are great too. Think like a big ftp drive except supports lots of transfer protocols
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#58Dedicated servers on a host like Hetzer and OVH surely beats any virtualization based cloud offering on price and performance. The tradeoff is availability. It's a great choice for entities that are optimizing on cost, but not a great choice if your business cannot tolerate downtime. A good example is a the big lichess outage from last year [1]. Lichess is a non-profit, and also must serve a huge user base. Given the…
"5 or 6x the price they currently pay OVH"
So they could have had 100% redundant systems at OVH and still be under half the cost of a traditional "cloud" provider?
I would look at architecture and operations first. Their "main" node went down, and they did not have a way they could just bring another instance of it online fast on a fresh OVH machine (typically provisioned in a few minutes, assuming they had no hot standby). If the same happened to their "main" VM at a "hyperscaler" , I would guess they also would have been up the same creek. It is not the difference between 120 and 600 seconds to provision a new machine that caused their 10 hrs downtime.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, their support, for better or worse, is really technical and you need to send all the evidence of any faults to convince them. But when I've had random issues happening, I've sent them all the troubleshooting and evidence I came across, and a couple of hours later they had provisioned a new host for me with the same specs. And based on our different experiences, the quality of care you receive could differ too :…
> and a couple of hours later they had provisioned a new host for me with the same specs. To be fair, they probably would've done the same for me if I'd pushed the issue further, but after over a week of trying to diagnose the issue and convince them that it wasn't an problem with the hard drives (they said one of the drives was likely faulty and insisted on replacing it and having me resilver the zpool to see if it…
> but after over a week of trying to diagnose the issue and convince them that it wasn't an problem
That sucks big time :( In the most recent case I can recall, I successfully got access, noticed weirdness, gathered data and sent an email, and had a new instance within 2-3 hours.
Overall, based on comments here on HN and otherwhere, the quality and speed of support is really uneven.
Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner
#60I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…
Try www.wowrack.com or www.serverstadium.com.
(I work for them).