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European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by jonathanstrange »

matt-p wrote: post #47

I get so (unreasonably?) annoyed with people saying "European" and meaning "EU"; they're not the same thing. Stop it! You're missing all the providers based in the UK who frankly provide at least as many good options as the whole of the EU combined.

They're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by codedokode »

dherls wrote: post #15
dangus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really a joke at all, the point is to find a cloud provider that can place resources in a guaranteed location that stays within the legal boundaries of a country. This is for when you need to guarantee that your services cannot possibly escape boundaries of a specific country.

I think the "joke" is if the US government orders a company to hand over that data, the fact that the servers are physically in the EU won't stop anything

It's one thing if they require the copy of data, and another thing if the President wakes up in a bad mood and orders deleting all the data. Imagine if the whole computing infrastructure for power plants, public transportation, banks, payment systems, large companies gets deleted in a minute.

You should not host the critical data on other country's servers.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by matt-p »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #51
matt-p wrote: post #47

I get so (unreasonably?) annoyed with people saying "European" and meaning "EU"; they're not the same thing. Stop it! You're missing all the providers based in the UK who frankly provide at least as many good options as the whole of the EU combined.

They're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.

I'm aware. I think the EU have being trying to co-opt the word european which is absolutely insane. You will see it frequently from EU politicians "Europe will back ukraine with X". Putin and erm I imagine 3/4s of Russias population lives in Europe.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by matt-p »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #51
matt-p wrote: post #47

I get so (unreasonably?) annoyed with people saying "European" and meaning "EU"; they're not the same thing. Stop it! You're missing all the providers based in the UK who frankly provide at least as many good options as the whole of the EU combined.

They're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.

"The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption" thats 100% not true, just completely false.

"has some Draconian surveillance laws", sure and what EU countries don't - you must be joking?

"I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant" The GDPR is retained in domestic law, it's literally the exact same situation as before brexit.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by jonathanstrange »

matt-p wrote: post #54
jonathanstrange wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.

I'm aware. I think the EU have being trying to co-opt the word european which is absolutely insane. You will see it frequently from EU politicians "Europe will back ukraine with X". Putin and erm I imagine 3/4s of Russias population lives in Europe.

Who cares what you think is insane. That's the way people think and talk in Europe, and it makes sense. Maybe in the UK people think of Russia when someone talks about Europe but certainly no one does that in the EU. In this case, it makes a lot of sense not to include the UK (or Russia) because people looking for alternatives to US cloud providers for legal reasons are going to have the same or even more concerns about the UK (viz., Russia).

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by Thaxll »

wongarsu wrote: post #37
Thaxll wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have any cloud or abstraction. You basically rent bare metal servers.

Hetzner is of the opinion that they have a cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud Whether it has enough features to satisfy your needs is another question, but it is more than just bare metal or vps

I mean basic features like auto scale and create new resources.

The most basic thing with a load balancer and scale instances behind that.

They don't have any of that.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by jonathanstrange »

matt-p wrote: post #56
jonathanstrange wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're the same for the majority of people in Europe. We use EU and Europe synonymously very often. The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption any longer and has some Draconian surveillance laws. I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant so it's better to list them separately.

"The UK doesn't even allow end-to-end encryption" thats 100% not true, just completely false. "has some Draconian surveillance laws", sure and what EU countries don't - you must be joking? "I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant" The GDPR is retained in domestic law, it's literally the exact same situation as before brexit.

It is true because a cryptosystem is by definition not end-to-end encrypted if a third party can read the plaintext, and that's exactly what UK law mandates.

> "I very much doubt it can be GDPR compliant" The GDPR is retained in domestic law, it's literally the exact same situation as before brexit.

That's not the stance of legal scholars and judges in the EU, for the same reasons as there are doubts that US companies can be GDPR compliant. Let's just say that the alleged GDPR compliance hasn't been tested in court yet and is a legal gamble. Whether a EU company is willing to take that gamble or not depends on many factors and is up to them, of course.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by matt-p »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #57
matt-p wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware. I think the EU have being trying to co-opt the word european which is absolutely insane. You will see it frequently from EU politicians "Europe will back ukraine with X". Putin and erm I imagine 3/4s of Russias population lives in Europe.

Who cares what you think is insane. That's the way people think and talk in Europe, and it makes sense. Maybe in the UK people think of Russia when someone talks about Europe but certainly no one does that in the EU. In this case, it makes a lot of sense not to include the UK (or Russia) because people looking for alternatives to US cloud providers for legal reasons are going to have the same or even more concerns ab…

It's ok for you all to believe european === EU, but that is a EU only view (and factually incorrect). Also OK for you to buy stuff only from within the EU, I can understand why you'd want to do that, but obviously people outside the EU will be surprised to see you defining europe as the EU.
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