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Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

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post #17

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It definitely can and should be a factor when choosing what hardware to set your relatives up with in the first place, though.

It's much too late for that in both my case and the same case for probably tens of thousands of others.

Many people are buying new phones every couple years. That's a new opportunity to switch.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

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post #50

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lukec11, I would enjoy chatting with you about methods and findings. Send a note? https://www.benedelman.org/mail/

ADB can show you what package install'd a package. I've been running a setup but I gernally buy a bunch of the same phone, but after they get wifi they install masive amounts of junk.

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Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

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> ad tap (just clicking an ad, potentially a misclick aiming for a tiny X button, with no Install button even visible on screen)

> AppLovin’s X’s are unusually tiny, so mis-taps are especially likely

This is why I use Intent Intercept - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.k3b.android.intentinterce...

It tells me exactly what's about to happen from my tap(accidental or intentional), and gives me the option to undo my tap.

Every privacy/security conscious Android user should have Intent Intercept installed on their devices already.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

#54
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lukec11, I would enjoy chatting with you about methods and findings. Send a note? https://www.benedelman.org/mail/

ADB can show you what package install'd a package. I've been running a setup but I gernally buy a bunch of the same phone, but after they get wifi they install masive amounts of junk.

Yup, can see what package installed a package both via ADB and even in the Settings > Apps GUI. Of course that's a slightly different question from whether the install was nonconsensual.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

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You neglected to mention Google's Android. It's business model that maximizes for reach over everything else is the root cause.

The two options are reach over all else, or control of its customers and overcharging them at every turn over all else. One is not obviously better than the other, though I'll grant that Apple has managed to get their users to a place where being subjected to them has become a point of pride, which is impressive.

If we look iphone versus the direct google phones, both are quite expensive and at this point google's about $800/TB for storage upgrades is actually worse than apple's price.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two options are reach over all else, or control of its customers and overcharging them at every turn over all else. One is not obviously better than the other, though I'll grant that Apple has managed to get their users to a place where being subjected to them has become a point of pride, which is impressive.

If we look iphone versus the direct google phones, both are quite expensive and at this point google's about $800/TB for storage upgrades is actually worse than apple's price.

Yes the Pixel phones are just as unaffordable as iPhones in this case, you're right! Google and Apple are the same here. If you want an inexpensive phone you must look for an Android phone that is not made by Google.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

#57

How does the platform even allow a single tap on an ad to install an app? Edit: Discussed somewhat here https://www.benedelman.org/applovin-permissions/ . Seems like it's abetted by garbage from the carrier. Something for iOS to look forward to?

Ben Edelman here, author of the page you linked above and the full article at https://www.benedelman.org/applovin-nonconsensual-installs/ (linked from top of this page). Happy to answer any questions.

I think the structure of this article definitely made it harder to find the details to some of these questions—the fact that it's posted as 5-8 different "blog" entries instead of a single webpage made it harder then it needed to be to get to the technical conclusions section. Also, some of the method call listings on this page: https://www.benedelman.org/applovin-execution-path/ were unnecessarily verbose, and duplicative with the later pages that actually explained the flow in more detail e.g. https://www.benedelman.org/applovin-execution-sdk/

Having all of the sections of the article on the same page would have helped surface and resolve a lot of these potential editorial issues.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

#58
Bloomberg reports both that Applovin says they did get user consent ("Users never get downloads with any of our products without explicitly requesting it") and that they're nonetheless shutting down the app install business because it was, supposedly, "not economically viable."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-15/applovin-...

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

#59

> ad tap (just clicking an ad, potentially a misclick aiming for a tiny X button, with no Install button even visible on screen) > AppLovin’s X’s are unusually tiny, so mis-taps are especially likely This is why I use Intent Intercept - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.k3b.android.intentinterce... It tells me exactly what's about to happen from my tap(accidental or intentional), and gives me the option to undo my t…

Makes sense. Pretty sad to have to install a tool like that to get security on a platform that is used by billions of users. Even more shocking that apps get installed just from clicking a small close button on a silly ad without even prompting for the install?

Installing random tools to hopefully get more security, though is risky also. Hopefully that tool doesn’t get compromised as it is privy to all intent activity.

Re: AppLovin nonconsensual installs

#60
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It definitely can and should be a factor when choosing what hardware to set your relatives up with in the first place, though.

It's much too late for that in both my case and the same case for probably tens of thousands of others.

If you leave your front door open, you’re gonna get a lot of strangers and stray animals in your house. If you don’t have the desire to close the door, I guess you’ll just give in and get familiar with your new roommates.

I’ve never understood why people use android, which was built by the largest advertising company in the world. A company with a history of violating privacy, scanning personal data for advertisement purposes. Also, what amazes me, is that many technical, well-informed people continue to use standard android os, knowing full well that they’re giving up major privacy protections and using a much less secure platform than alternatives like iOS. I’m sure there’s good reasons for it that people have and can rationalize.

The main rationalization that I have seen from technical people is that they just hate Apple. They’ll never use Apple, even if they have to give up significant privacy. Other people like the fact they can customize the device (which I like as well), but unfortunately, makes it easier for bad actors to customize your phone in ways you don’t want.

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