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Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by stavros »

baobun wrote: post #24
stavros wrote: post #5

What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

My two recommendations would be openSUSE Tumbleweed or EndeavourOS. In particular Tumbleweed is underappreciated around here I think. BTW, what makes you look for rolling-release distro specifically? Ubuntu and pop are not rolling release. Neither is Fedora.

Basically my dad never upgrades his computer, I have automatic updates on but OS upgrades aren't done automatically, so I wanted rolling release to get past that. What's the issue with rolling release?

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by stavros »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #42
janc_ wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rolling release & stable are mutually exclusive…

GP probably means stable in the sense of "not buggy" as opposed to "won't change".

Yes, exactly. A lag of a few months is fine if it means the software doesn't have huge bugs.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by baobun »

stavros wrote: post #51
baobun wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two recommendations would be openSUSE Tumbleweed or EndeavourOS. In particular Tumbleweed is underappreciated around here I think. BTW, what makes you look for rolling-release distro specifically? Ubuntu and pop are not rolling release. Neither is Fedora.

Basically my dad never upgrades his computer, I have automatic updates on but OS upgrades aren't done automatically, so I wanted rolling release to get past that. What's the issue with rolling release?

Makes sense since there won't be any release-upgrade process every 6/12/24/whatever months. You'll still have obviously have updates though.

Asking since none of the examples you were considering are actually rolling, it wasn't clear what you're after.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by bigyabai »

DaSHacka wrote: post #44
nipperkinfeet wrote: post #34

Elementary OS is stuck in 2011, offering limited customization options. I remember having hard time adding desktop icons. These days, much superior distributions are available. Examples include Mint, EndeavourOS and Fedora...

But are any of those "aggressively queer"? Didn't think so. Checkmate, Linux users

Even as a happy Linux user and gay person, I have to admit that much of GNOME's design philosophy is queer to me.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by n4bz0r »

haunter wrote: post #8
stavros wrote: post #5

What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

Fedora Kinoite https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ I really do think that immutable distros are the future especially if you want something that don’t break. And imo KDE is arguably the best DE right now, that is if you believe DEs should follow the WinNT era UX principles. But there is a version with GNOME too or Cosmic https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/at…

Isn't the state (apps' data in this case) the biggest problem with updates of any kind? State can't be immutable and is the easiest to break.

I can certainly see how containerizing apps and using "layered" FS solves a class of problems, but I highly doubt this alone would be incentive enough for the major OSes to go that way. I do agree it would be neat to see such developments, though.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by stavros »

baobun wrote: post #53
stavros wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically my dad never upgrades his computer, I have automatic updates on but OS upgrades aren't done automatically, so I wanted rolling release to get past that. What's the issue with rolling release?

Makes sense since there won't be any release-upgrade process every 6/12/24/whatever months. You'll still have obviously have updates though. Asking since none of the examples you were considering are actually rolling, it wasn't clear what you're after.

Yes but those updates can be automated, right? I'm just trying to avoid the release update.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by baobun »

stavros wrote: post #36
haunter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora Kinoite https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ I really do think that immutable distros are the future especially if you want something that don’t break. And imo KDE is arguably the best DE right now, that is if you believe DEs should follow the WinNT era UX principles. But there is a version with GNOME too or Cosmic https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/at…

Thanks! I do love KDE, it's my daily driver. Exit: OK immutable looks really interesting, thank you.

Immutable is promising and Kinoite great but just heads up that since it's Fedora based you still have their major-release-upgrade cycle to follow.

There are rolling immutable/atomic distros but Kinoute is not one.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

hecifato wrote: post #49

Elementary was one of the first Linux distros I installed back in 2020. Eventually I moved on to other distros and DE’s. I was hopeful for Elementary eventually becoming THE Linux distro I would recommend people but it hasn’t happened yet, and I don’t know if it ever will. I remember Elementary being big on UX, design, creating a universal app store for Linux, and providing a sane default type of experience. Pretty m…

My outside reading: there were about 2-3 key people driving the project at that time. My understanding is that right around that time or shortly thereafter there was a falling out of some sort between two of the key people, one left, and the momentum just tanked after that. Note that this is just an outsiders perspective gained from reading blog posts from the org and watching release cadences

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by baobun »

stavros wrote: post #56
baobun wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense since there won't be any release-upgrade process every 6/12/24/whatever months. You'll still have obviously have updates though. Asking since none of the examples you were considering are actually rolling, it wasn't clear what you're after.

Yes but those updates can be automated, right? I'm just trying to avoid the release update.

Sure and sounds reasonable. Then you will have to force reboots Windows style - having the same old kernel running for months or years on an online desktop can be hazardous if he never shuts it down.
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