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Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
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Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#52Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…
Yep, makes a lot of sense. We architected our system to be easy to self-host & open-source in the future for this very reason, though we decided to launch with hosted because it's easier to improve and iterate.
consider allowing customers to deploy into their own AWS/Azure infra as a managed service. Your CICD can reach the deployment and you will be one step closer to enterprise customers.
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, makes a lot of sense. We architected our system to be easy to self-host & open-source in the future for this very reason, though we decided to launch with hosted because it's easier to improve and iterate.
Understood. Not my startup, but I would have started the other way round. Businesses that would be willing to pay (a lot) for such a benefit often will be very conservative. In Germany the majority of medium sized businesses using SAP for example still refuse to be moved to SAP's cloud instead of on-premise. C-Level types typically are not worried putting their email credentials etc into Outlook cloud and getting hac…
> You put a data exfiltration dongle between the modem and the LAN.
Sounds interesting, and could be used in a movie, but it doesn't look like it is practically applicable in real life. You will have a hard time making sense of the data without full-MITM'ing with SSL decryption, installing your CA certificate on all machines and browsers on the LAN, and solving the certificate pinning problem.
A USB keylogger may be a simpler solution even though it can't sniff the whole LAN.
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#54I've been using Grapevine at my company for the last couple weeks. One of the coolest features is that it proactively answers questions (with citations!). Not everyone thinks to tag the bot but it often surfaces the relevant answer and document and saves everyone some time.
>One of the coolest features is that it proactively answers questions (with citations!).
It's cool feature but is it not the given and default feature of any RAG based LLM to provide citations based on the documents chunking mechanism?
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#55">85% of answers are helpful & accurate" People can usually tell if an answer isn't helpful, but not always that it isn't accurate. Depending on the context, 85% accurate might not be good enough.
95% of answers could be accurate. Combined with the 85% that are helpful and you have “85% of answers are helpful & accurate.”
>95% of answers could be accurate. Combined with the 85% that are helpful and you have “85% of answers are helpful & accurate.”
Instead of using the lower bound, wouldn't it make more sense to say "85% of the 95% accurate answers are helpful"? Or perhaps "95% of the 85% helpful answers are accurate"?
In both cases, the number for "answers that are both helpful and accurate" is lower than 85%.
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Understood. Not my startup, but I would have started the other way round. Businesses that would be willing to pay (a lot) for such a benefit often will be very conservative. In Germany the majority of medium sized businesses using SAP for example still refuse to be moved to SAP's cloud instead of on-premise. C-Level types typically are not worried putting their email credentials etc into Outlook cloud and getting hac…
> You put a data exfiltration dongle between the modem and the LAN. Sounds interesting, and could be used in a movie, but it doesn't look like it is practically applicable in real life. You will have a hard time making sense of the data without full-MITM'ing with SSL decryption, installing your CA certificate on all machines and browsers on the LAN, and solving the certificate pinning problem. A USB keylogger may be…
Well, as this is standard practice the movie would be a ... documentary? ;)
I wasn't clear here enough: The device at this point enables you to typically see all devices on the LAN and WLAN on L2. Which means you can do ARP spoofing and all that kind of stuff. One of the first things you then would look at is what printers are available to infect. People often print interesting things :)
And yes, of course the USB keylogger is the cheap lazy solution. These days due to second factors not that useful as it used to be, but still... you can deploy it in seconds pretty much in every office, shop or governmental institutions.
But to not further drift into off-topic:
I am serious about all this. Should Grapevine be successful and for example one day put out a press release like "Procter & Gamble is now using our services", you will have in addition to state actors (China, Russia, Israel) a thousand kids looking up that P&G makes a profit of $15 Billion or whatever per year, and that they surely will pay 1% of that for not having all of their company data published.
If you look at existing knowledge management system that are deployed in physical-world-companies, you will see that they actually are not allowed to index all the data, but as you would be running against a lot of laws and management best practices if in the next coffee brake everybody would laugh about poor Tony who once had a really stupid concept, created a draft document of it, but then noticed that it won't work and make him look like a fool.... Thought not giving it to his manager would solve that "problem", but it got indexed as company knowledge..
So, erm, yeah: Existing knowledge management systems to a large extend are about NOT sharing knowledge.
Sorry for this raw brain dump of mine into this thread :)
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#57Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…
Yep, makes a lot of sense. We architected our system to be easy to self-host & open-source in the future for this very reason, though we decided to launch with hosted because it's easier to improve and iterate.
u/eambutu, any timeline for the self-hosted version?
Also willing to buy.
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#58Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…
Onyx.app has a self hosted option. I just did the docker setup yesterday. It’s not a great home user option imo but seems like it’s functional for enterprise.
Going off on a tangent here but, does anyone have a good guide on how to set up an AI/LLM/GPT chatbot/agent for a small business?
Not looking to spend millions but a couple thousand are alright. TIA
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Onyx.app has a self hosted option. I just did the docker setup yesterday. It’s not a great home user option imo but seems like it’s functional for enterprise.
Going off on a tangent here but, does anyone have a good guide on how to set up an AI/LLM/GPT chatbot/agent for a small business? Not looking to spend millions but a couple thousand are alright. TIA
Hmm I thought this would be a competitive space already i.e. integrating llm chat bots on any website
Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works
#60No pricing?