Great move to counter the hostile takeover of the RubyGems GitHub repo (not the rubygems.org repo) and organization by Ruby Central. I hope they find financing to cover hosting costs.
I believe the hosting is already covered.
Gem.coop
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Re: Gem.coop
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
If who you vote for will put me into a torture camp (or otherwise devalues my life or personhood), then I can't work with you, so no it is not irrelevant. (neither the "me" nor the "you" here refer to you or me personally ofc.)
Agreed. Your example could sound like exaggerated, but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. Even in a professional context, because work is part of the society we live in. This whole "DHH situation" with Rails has put my mind in weird position. I admire the Rails creator, the business man, the speaker. I admire what he builds, how passionate he is about his work and open-source software. But I very str…
> but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval.
I disagree. We don't have to have an opinion on everything. And what worries me is those (both on the left and on the right) who think that silence is a form of opinion or approval. It's getting very close to "those who are not with us are against us". And that's a worldview I have very little time for.
Re: Gem.coop
#53Why has this been flagged?
Just some background: there is a controversy in the Ruby community[0][2] around the governance of the rubygems project. It has been maintained for a long time by employees of Ruby Central but not in a corporate capacity. There was a recent hostile takeover of this project by the Ruby Central corporate arm.
The most likely reason it was flagged from my perspective is that David Heinemeier Hansson (who created rails) is kind of the figurehead of this community and he has controversial opinions[1] which people believe make him unfit to represent their community. The controversy has manifested as people speaking out against DHH in his position. So this post seems to have been flagged for being "political" because it is seemingly in opposition to rubygems for the DHH reason.
0: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...
1: https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance (this article has a lot of examples from DHH's blog)
Re: Gem.coop
#54Why is this flagged? This is super relevant to HN!
Re: Gem.coop
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. Your example could sound like exaggerated, but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. Even in a professional context, because work is part of the society we live in. This whole "DHH situation" with Rails has put my mind in weird position. I admire the Rails creator, the business man, the speaker. I admire what he builds, how passionate he is about his work and open-source software. But I very str…
> but silence is a form of opinion, of vote, of approval. I disagree. We don't have to have an opinion on everything. And what worries me is those (both on the left and on the right) who think that silence is a form of opinion or approval. It's getting very close to "those who are not with us are against us". And that's a worldview I have very little time for.
Yes, I agree with you. Silence, when you do not have an opinion, is totally fine. And yes, not having an opinion on everything is absolutely fine, probably sane even.
I was answering a comment about a vote that would put you in a torture camp, so a vote on which you are certainly opinionated about.
In other words, don't self-censor when you think something is not right.
Re: Gem.coop
#56Why has this been flagged?
Remove flags 2025, all the best stuff is in https://news.ycombinator.com/active. I don't even use Ruby right now, have no dog in whatever drama is behind this, but I don't see what's so offensive about knowing Gem.coop is now a thing.
Re: Gem.coop
#57I'm really pleased to see this happening, but sad that it has come to this. What I'd really like to see is a whole bunch of people acting more professionally. Who you pray to, who you vote for, and who you sleep with are irrelevant to a professional context - and open source development is a professional context. So everyone needs to keep their professional and personal lives separate. I know that at best I would be…
Completely agreed. Sorry, other folks, but you have no right to gatekeep my speech in any way in a professional context. Are you a family member? Then sure, we can have a discussion. Am I a member of your private club or otherwise dependent on your approval of my thoughts or beliefs? Then let's talk. Otherwise, leave me alone. You (the collective you) don't get to decide what I am and am not allowed to think and believe.
Re: Gem.coop
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Yes, I agree. And some of the “admins” even announced publicly many days ago they were launching a competitor tool and were funding raising for it. I’d not trust the system to such “admin”." https://bsky.app/profile/rmfranca.bsky.social/post/3lz7alpob... See https://spinel.coop/ "Spinel develops rv, the next-generation Ruby version manager"
This doesn't explain how rv is threatening rubygems in any way.
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Re: Gem.coop
#59Why is this flagged? This is super relevant to HN!
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Re: Gem.coop
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
NYC has roughly the same stats - 40% of the residents there are foreign-born. This is more to do with low birth rates by natives, so population growth in NYC and London is entirely driven by immigration. The biggest problem is that it's too expensive for most people to have and raise kids in major cities. What was more troubling to me was that he called the Tommy Robinson rallies "heartwarming". TR was a member of an…
"I care about Ruby and want it to die…” “I try to discourage them because I don’t want more Ruby code in the world…” I wouldn't bother replying to that account, it's not arguing in good faith. Ishkebab has stated many times its goal is to kill ruby and its community. It's commenting here to stir things up. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847
> It's commenting here to stir things up.
I'm not. It's true that I dislike Ruby and prefer everyone would abandon it, but that's orthogonal to the issue we're discussing. In fact I'm saying that the Ruby community is being stupid and shooting themselves in the foot by characterizing relatively mainstream right wing views as "extremism".
If I was being disingenuous I should really encourage this schism!
> It
Dunno if you're a native English speaker or not but the normal way to refer to someone of unknown gender is "they". "It" is offensive.