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The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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post #17

A refusal to even acknowledge that AI might work isn't a very sensible refutation of the risks we're going to face.

> A refusal to even acknowledge that AI might work isn't a very sensible refutation of the risks we're going to face.

That's probably why they're not doing that. The core premise-- we will rely on AI so much that we will de-skill ourselves-- requires acknowledging that AI works.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#52

When it comes to "humans collectively..." kind of grand scheme issues, I just can't take the risk of AI making us stupider too seriously, compared to: - Wars and violence to resolve geopolitical problems - The biggest trading partner of most countries is waging tariff warfare - Climate change - Declining birth rate in almost every country - Healthier foods are getting more expensive despite our technology and nutriti…

I don’t want to nitpick but the declining birthrate is almost certainly driven by us becoming smarter, not dumber. In most countries the birthrate was propped up heavily by teen pregnancy, which the internet and access to healthcare is slowly eradicating worldwide.

If we as humans can’t maintain our current population without getting high schoolers pregnant, then so be it.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#53
post #6

I feel like I these doom prognostications were also written during the industrial revolution, the invention of electricity, the invention of television, the invention of the internet, ... We've turned out okay.

Socrates on writing "For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not tr…

glad you brought up a historical note.

Some of the best thinking across history - euclid,newton,einstein - happened in the pre-computer era. So, let alone AI, even computers are not necessary. Pen, paper and some imagination/experimentation were sufficient.

Some in tech are fear mongering to seek attention.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#54

When it comes to "humans collectively..." kind of grand scheme issues, I just can't take the risk of AI making us stupider too seriously, compared to: - Wars and violence to resolve geopolitical problems - The biggest trading partner of most countries is waging tariff warfare - Climate change - Declining birth rate in almost every country - Healthier foods are getting more expensive despite our technology and nutriti…

I don’t want to nitpick but the declining birthrate is almost certainly driven by us becoming smarter, not dumber. In most countries the birthrate was propped up heavily by teen pregnancy, which the internet and access to healthcare is slowly eradicating worldwide. If we as humans can’t maintain our current population without getting high schoolers pregnant, then so be it.

I didn't say declining birth rate is a result of people being dumber.

And I also don't think higher education necessarily means smarter. I'm quite confident that in the next decade, worldwide educational attainment will keep rising with only some temporary setbacks. If making people smart is as simple as sending them to colleges we really have nothing to worry about.

But anyway neither was my point.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#55
post #8

This is already happening. In spite of all of the disclaimers that the AI make mistakes the fact that it is given higher billing in for instance google search results (but also lots of other similar places) means people will interpret it as having a higher reputation because that's how we were conditioned to consume search results. This is doing massive damage already, for instance, essay writing, making summaries, r…

School will have to rely on homework less. It ia nkt that deep or complicated. It does not require super radical reform.

Ypu can still make the tests and exams checking what students know. There will be less "generate bs at home" tasks and more "come back with a knowledge" which will likely be an improvement.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#56

My current opinion is that AI is just a thing that is going to further amplify our existing tendencies (on a person-to-person basis). I've personally found it to be extremely beneficial in research, learning, and the category of "things that take time because of the stuff you have to mechanically go through and not because of the brainpower involved". I have been able to spend so much more time on things that I feel…

It fulfills steve jobs promise that a computer is a bicycle for your mind. It is crazy to me that all these poeple think they are going to lose their ability to think. If you didn't lose your ability to think to scrolling social media then you aren't going to lose it to AI. However, I think a lot of people lost their ability to think by scrolling social media and that is problematic. What people need to realize is th…

Except that generative "AI" is a tricycle for the mind that prevents you from ever learning how to ride a bicycle.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#57
Despite the magazine being named the Argument, this article falls into the typical pattern of claiming "the problem isn't X, it's Y", and then spending the rest of the article body building support for Y, but never once making any argument that refutes X.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#58
post #25

AI is just a helpful tool. Ages ago someone surely cried that cars will cause our legs to disfunction.

Considering some people have problem to walk even short distances, it happened for those who drive everywhere.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

#59

Despite the magazine being named the Argument , this article falls into the typical pattern of claiming "the problem isn't X, it's Y", and then spending the rest of the article body building support for Y, but never once making any argument that refutes X.

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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My current opinion is that AI is just a thing that is going to further amplify our existing tendencies (on a person-to-person basis). I've personally found it to be extremely beneficial in research, learning, and the category of "things that take time because of the stuff you have to mechanically go through and not because of the brainpower involved". I have been able to spend so much more time on things that I feel…

The post was largely about young people who are growing up with these tools and are still at the stage of developing their habits and tendencies. Personally I am glad I learnt programming before LLMs even if it meant the tedious searches on stackoverflow because I didn't feel like I was coming up against a wave of new technology when it came to future job searches. Having done so I can understand and appreciate the i…

Personally I am glad I learnt programming before StackOverflow! Precisely because it meant I had to learn to figure things out myself.

I still use StackOverflow and LLMs, but if those things were available when I was learning I would probably not have learnt as much.

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