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Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

Accessing services from the UK without handing over your personal ID to a service that will inevitably get hacked.

This happened to discord literally a few days ago.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #49

Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

In Germany (and probably in the UK too), you now have to be very careful about what you write online. There is actually a section 188 that makes insulting, defaming, or slandering people in political life a criminal offense. You can now face heavy fines for minor insults (“idiot”) or even have your home searched. A VPN can be useful here.

What idiot signed that bullshit into law?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

#53

Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

> Getting access to geolocked data

I use VPNs when I'm trying to ferret out the scope of an outage. I have VPN servers on local ISP which moves me around different routing. I use a commercial service to move me further out and to other countries.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did until they killed port forwarding.

Yep. And I was on Proton for 3y, until the CEO were backing Trump and Vance on Reddit and other places. Their port forwarding was also painful as well, but it worked. Cancelled. PIA does the port forwarding nicely and stabily. No jank scripts to run every 60 seconds. Now evidently PIA is a bunch of scum capitalists. But in reality, who isn't? Mullvad? But they killed port forwarding for "abuse".

The Proton CEO is not "backing Trump and Vance." He wrote something positive about a narrow policy Trump supported that's favorable to little tech over big tech. That's it. It's certainly possible that someone you detest can still occasionally support a particular policy you think is good.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

Free wifi hotspots Nowadays most traffic is tls encrypted, but there are still metadata that can be collected.

>but there are still metadata that can be collected.

That logic is questionable given how poorly "spying on public wifi users" scales. You either need to put a bunch of eavesdropping radios in a bunch of public places or somehow convince a bunch of small businesses to use your "free wifi" solution. Even if you do have access, it's hard to monetize the data, given that nearly every device does MAC randomization (so you can't track across different SSIDs) and iOS/windows rotates mac addresses for open/public networks. OTOH setting up metadata capture on a commercial VPN service is pretty straightforward, because you control all the servers.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Are we allowed to discuss (edit: if it's not too political?) if Kape Technologies has any connections to Israeli security services, given the nature of VPNs and given the amount of data that can be trivially collected, and: "Being from Israel, Teddy Sagi had connections with the Israeli military intelligence sphere and was able to procure himself a real-life cyber spy [his co-founder] from the famed Unit 8200 (kinda…

>Teddy Sagi had connections with the Israeli military intelligence sphere

Does this mean much given that israel has mandatory military service? Unlike in the US where you have to make a conscious choice (eg. patriotism or desperation) to join the CIA/NSA/military, that's not really the case in israel. "has ties to unit 8200" might as well mean "has ties to stanford/MIT/caltech" or "has ties to big tech".

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #19

Are we allowed to discuss (edit: if it's not too political?) if Kape Technologies has any connections to Israeli security services, given the nature of VPNs and given the amount of data that can be trivially collected, and: "Being from Israel, Teddy Sagi had connections with the Israeli military intelligence sphere and was able to procure himself a real-life cyber spy [his co-founder] from the famed Unit 8200 (kinda…

Israeli crypto ag

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

#58

Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

3. Avoiding government-mandated record keeping by ISPs in a country like the UK, where all ISPs have to keep a year of your browsing history and it can be accessed warrant free by 17 different agencies(including DEFRA, the agriculture agency). And yes, I'm aware that you're most likely trading one surveilence for another - but honestly at this point I'd much rather trust my paid VPN provider with my browsing data tha…

> but honestly at this point I'd much rather trust my paid VPN provider with my browsing data than my ISP and ultimately the government.

Your ISP will need to comply with local laws and regulations, and you'll have some recourse if broken. A third-party VPN operating in an overseas jurisdiction could be doing anything with your data.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

#59

I have to admit that discovering that ProtonVPN was actually just owned by Proton Technologies feels underwhelming.

Idk what's the official status, but it's Tesonet.

Some fake debunking in the comments of this thread that is factually almost correct: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

EDIT: ProtonVPN app was "accidentally" signet by Tesonet. How do you think this could happen?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #52
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany (and probably in the UK too), you now have to be very careful about what you write online. There is actually a section 188 that makes insulting, defaming, or slandering people in political life a criminal offense. You can now face heavy fines for minor insults (“idiot”) or even have your home searched. A VPN can be useful here.

What idiot signed that bullshit into law?

That law has existed since 1951 and is based on an executive order from 1931 by Hindenburg.
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