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Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Related, a recent study suggests up to 1% of our mantle is water trapped within rock that gets released as subduction increases to higher heat and pressure. This water could account for three times the amount of water on the surface and may represent a whole-Earth water cycle.

https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=111648

I wonder how this ties in with the submitted link about Theia. And it will be interesting if we ever get similar trapped water discovered in martian rock.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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The thing is that even for a super low probability event, the size of the universe is so huge and such events must be happening all the time. e.g. Say chance of a random planet ever being hit by a water-carrying comet is one in a billion, then with 100B - 1T planets in the milky way it'd happen here 100-1000 times. If chances are only one in a trillion, and we're the one in the milky way, then there are still another…

Do other galaxies matter here? A civilization would need to be incredibly powerful to be detectable from another galaxy.

At the moment, rapid and massive expansion seems likely with tech only just on the horizon.

Enough AI and robotics for an autonomous factory may be a mirage (such mirages have (metaphorically) happened before), but it seems like it's on the horizon.

Even with relatively mundane growth assumptions, that can go from "species inventing writing" to "Dyson sphere completed, is now sending out seeds to every accessible galaxy" on significantly less than the timescale of light crossing a spiral galaxy's disk.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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The article says the light elements hydrogen, carbon and sulfur (and oxygen?) were only able to condense on the outer planets (and their moons). And the original article specifically says "the inner Solar System planets Venus and Mercury are largely devoid of volatile elements". If that's the case, why does Venus have so much carbon dioxide?

(I'm not saying the article is wrong, just trying to understand.)

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Imagine this sci-fi plot twist: Aliens make live habitable by hitting proto-Earth with a planet, so life can sprout there. They calibrated it such a way that angular size of Moon is the same as of Sun.

The Moon was much closer to the Earth when it was formed. It's slowly becoming more distant.

So the angular size has matched the Sun only for 450 million years.

In 50 million years it's angular size will be smaller and total solar eclipses will be impossible.

Note: Due to the Moon's orbit, the whole story is more complicated.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Do other galaxies matter here? A civilization would need to be incredibly powerful to be detectable from another galaxy.

At the moment, rapid and massive expansion seems likely with tech only just on the horizon. Enough AI and robotics for an autonomous factory may be a mirage (such mirages have (metaphorically) happened before), but it seems like it's on the horizon. Even with relatively mundane growth assumptions, that can go from "species inventing writing" to "Dyson sphere completed, is now sending out seeds to every accessible gal…

Cmon the number of hypothetical extrapolations based on no data in these statements is beyond superstition to something like delusion

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Absolute garbage. The Earth has a nearly perfect circular orbit. Any collision with another planet would have pushed it off its orbit and caused it to at the very least created a more elliptical orbit that likely would have made the swings in temperature more deadly for life on Earth. This entire article is science fiction.

This makes some sense actually. Does anyone have a counterargument to this?

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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I've tried reading the paper, which is obviously less hand wavy than this mess of a blog post but pretty tough going for a layman. I still don't see how they conclude that the water arrived all at once instead of in a bunch of comets... https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adw1280

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Your assumption we need water for life to exist is in my opinion wrong. We only know Earth so assume that is what is needed for life to exist.

You’re getting a lot of negative feedback for whatever reason, but you’re absolutely right. I for one remember reading about possible silicon/methane based life, etc. Actually, here’s a whole wikipedia article on what you’re talking about. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_bioche... Perhaps HN folks will lose your scent now and direct their snark there

But when you dig down deep on theories like that it just doesn’t make sense from a chemistry or physics standpoint. Everyone saw that Star Trek episode about silicon based life and ran with it as being possible. It’s just a show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil_in_the_Dark

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/do...

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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This could mean in the Drake equation ne -number of planets capable of life- is very small. A planet has to be hit with a comet big enough to deliver a large amount of water but not so big or fast to destroy it. And be in the Goldilocks zone of the star. Also the mass of the planet would play a part - gravity of more massive ones would be more likely to capture a comet. But again, too massive and I could see that ham…

I don't see any reason to believe that giant impact is the only way to get life-supporting amounts of water. We know Mars had liquid water. We know Titan has lots of ice. We're pretty sure Venus at least had noticeable amounts of water. Did all of these come from Theia-type impacts? I don't think we have any evidence of that.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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The equation itself makes no assumptions. But anyone trying to calculate something with it must. The last five factors in the equation will be filled in by assumptions based entirely on one data point, life on Earth. From your link: ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets. fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some poi…

Thanks, I read that part before I shared it. It's pretty clear to me, these are pretty well defined quantities, just hard to measure. What is unclear is perhaps the definition of life. But at no point does it assume a planet must be in the Goldilocks zone. So perhaps you want to point out those assumptions you are talking about to me, because I don't see them. Edit: the parent post has been edited substantially after…

How can you extrapolate those terms from a single planet with known life without making assumptions?
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