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Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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Mindfullness as a treatment for loneliness is strange to me. This doesn't actually help with the problem of being alone, it could just make someone be more OK with it. As someone who spends a lot of time alone, one of my big fears is having a medical emergency, even just choking on food, and dying from something that would be easily avoided had another person been in the house. I've gone and looked up how to give mys…

Here you go: https://www.bookofjoe.com/2025/09/my-entry-47.html

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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Aside from a formal study, _feels_ right (for what that's worth). The healthiest people I know are generally happy and have people around who care of them and they care for. I swear the social parts of life are what keep the elderly going, in my experience.

I swear the social parts of life are what keep the elderly going, in my experience. I could've sworn there was a paper, (or maybe just an article? can't remember), a long time ago about the community on a Mediterranean island somewhere? The thesis was that people there were living abnormally long lives because of the Mediterranean style food they ate, and how socially active and interconnected they were in old age.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240322-eat-beans-and-li...

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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The important part of the "church" in this context is finding a third space[0]. A church can be a reasonable third space, even for atheists. Particularly in smaller communities with limited resources. Other healthy options include hackerspaces / makerspackes (that is my third space of choice), libraries, parks, sporting events, etc.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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This is why doctors should recommend drinking and smoking. At a certain point the risk of premature death is greater from being a shut-in than it is from indulging in a pint and a ciggie with some buddies every once in a while.

But I don't think it makes a diff. My friend circle has had a few guys drop into hermit mode. We have tried all kinds of things to pull them out, but it's like they have decided monastic life or whatever is their thing.

>We have tried all kinds of things to pull them out

Why?

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…

>Recent meta-analyses examining 2.2 million individuals across 90 cohort studies reveal that social isolation and loneliness trigger measurable biological cascades comparable to traditional disease risk factors.

Its frustrating, because cohort study experimental designs like these can in principle chip away at reverse causality (i.e. observe loneliness exposure before a cardiovascular disease prognosis, compare difference-in-difference between treatment/control), but the meta-analysis doesnt clearly state whether this constraint was applied. But even a study like this would have issues with medical participation, so that would need to be controlled, preferably with a prospective design.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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It is perfectly possible to go to church regularly and talk to no one there.

Conversely, it's perfectly impossible no never go anywhere and have meaningful relationships with your neighbors.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old people's homes are very welcoming to ANYONE willing to spend time with the residents. No need to join a club: pick up the phone or stop by and ask if they would like your time. I guarantee the answer will be, "When can you start?"

Right, she has done that, but she wanted to start a club so that it could continue after she's graduated.

Make the club HQ the old people's home.

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I've seen this happen in person, to my grandmother. She hitched her identity to the man of the house, even signing checks "Mrs. grandad's name." She was the accountant of their farm along with housewife and cook and chicken tender. He was most of the muscle until he had to relinquish the work to their youngest son, who had moved out and into his own house. She was in relatively good health when grandad died at 76. Sh…

It sounds like your grandma passed from a broken heart.

My mother in law lost her husband when she was in her early 60s, and I was worried that she would suffer the same fate as your grandma. She sold her house after a few years to escape the ghosts and moved into a condo near me. Her social schedule is jam-packed.

There is so much to be said about having your own identity, hobbies, and passions.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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It's the church which destroyed itself. Using its influence for political power, that gave it short term power but destroyed it long term. And I would not agree with religion providing sense of the world. It's another coping mechanism to deal with absurdity in the world. There is a reason people fallback to religion when times get tough.

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Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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Is this true? I see a lot of people on the right complaining about loneliness epidemic, so it would seem odd that people who are attending church would have this issue and it still being a problem. You hear about lots of young, right-wing men talking about this as an issue, so church is clearly not solving it for them.

This is all hearsay and anecdotal, mind you, and I admit I have not done the research here. It's not a condition I have, nor do any of my friends. I believe it's happening, but the claim of "just attend church" doesn't seem to being paying off to me.

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