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A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by tedk-42 »

al_borland wrote: post #43
PaulHoule wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say otherwise. My wife has a student in her riding academy who is a severely autistic adult who is not independent and gets intensive support from her mom and aides that she hires who turn over rapidly because of the difficulty of the job. She has several seizures on some days. One beautiful day when they were tacking up the horse she thought it was a great day to take a walk (it was!) and took off down the drive…

You know what they say, “if you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person.”

Yep it's like they're grouping all kinds of mental disabilities as autism

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by jmogly »

jiggawatts wrote: post #35
ACCount37 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there now? High functioning autism exists, but autism in general doesn't seem to give any advantage to general intelligence. And the low end of functioning in autism is really, really low.

An observation I've made is that the most people ("the general population") will compromise on hard facts without pause to attain social goals. I.e.: They will follow instructions from a workplace superior with zero push-back even if the instructions are total nonsense or impossible to physically implement. It's a rare breed (1-2%) of the population that will actively push back, insist on facts, and stick to only the…

I think dismissing social realities as not being part of that hard, unyielding reality is a mistake. Part of intelligence (maybe a different part) is being able to bend the social fabric to achieve desirable outcomes. The other thing is you don’t always know why people do what they do, the world is a very subjective place. The people at work who don’t call things out, they might just be collecting a paycheck and are happy to not call things out. The poor conservative from Florida, they might actually hate immigrants more than they care about quality healthcare.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by shermantanktop »

mikert89 wrote: post #2

Pretty clear theres a tradeoff between social intelligence and other forms of intelligence

IMO ideas which make the believer feel better about themselves, particularly about their weaknesses, should be viewed with skepticism.

Maybe those bright people with poor social intelligence are more likely to be labeled as very intelligent by others…which would be the kind of thing a social species would do.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

agentcoops wrote: post #19

There's an ambiguity in the title, reflected in some comments below. It can be understood either as the claim that "in a particular human being, to be intelligent as measured by IQ means that you are more likely to be autistic", suggesting for example a trade-off between social and general intelligence; or the claim that "the evolution of the human brain and so human intelligence as such, which characterizes both tho…

In general, anyone not crossing medical taboos in evolutionary biology and neurology will never understand the horribly simple reality of modern humans.

Also, most savants score as cognitively deficient on IQ tests. =3

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by zdragnar »

cwmoore wrote: post #50
agentcoops wrote: post #19

There's an ambiguity in the title, reflected in some comments below. It can be understood either as the claim that "in a particular human being, to be intelligent as measured by IQ means that you are more likely to be autistic", suggesting for example a trade-off between social and general intelligence; or the claim that "the evolution of the human brain and so human intelligence as such, which characterizes both tho…

Thank you for the clarification. Can't read the paper. Who was it that was quoted often a decade ago that described the intellectual variance difference between the sexes? The research concluded that women are smarter (just kidding) that men have much greater variance while women are generally closer to the mean and one another in abilities. Since differences between the sexes exist, I would also expect differences a…

Boys are diagnosed with autism 4 times more than girls by age 8. There's a certain amount of supposition that this is due in part or largely down to "boys being boys" type handwaving, though my two nephews are on the spectrum and neurodivergent behavior in them presented as distinctly different from simply being energetic (one being almost nonverbal). Though it's possible, it seems unlikely to me that there isn't actually a difference.

However, the "greater male variability hypothesis" in terms of IQ scores is not terribly well supported by studies, and the difference isn't significant enough to account for the 4:1 ratio of autism diagnoses. As such, I imagine there's more at play here.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by greesil »

Insanity wrote: post #33
petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

lol that’s an interesting comparison. Another angle is that our categorization of what is atypical is the actual problem, and not the symptom itself.

’round these parts it's not atypical. Merely a categorization. Goddamn auties are so stubborn though, my way or the highway all the way. Okay bub, go explore and ignore the team priorities.

Curse yer down votes, tell me rigidity isn't a manifestation of the condition.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by cwmoore »

zdragnar wrote: post #56
cwmoore wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the clarification. Can't read the paper. Who was it that was quoted often a decade ago that described the intellectual variance difference between the sexes? The research concluded that women are smarter (just kidding) that men have much greater variance while women are generally closer to the mean and one another in abilities. Since differences between the sexes exist, I would also expect differences a…

Boys are diagnosed with autism 4 times more than girls by age 8. There's a certain amount of supposition that this is due in part or largely down to "boys being boys" type handwaving, though my two nephews are on the spectrum and neurodivergent behavior in them presented as distinctly different from simply being energetic (one being almost nonverbal). Though it's possible, it seems unlikely to me that there isn't act…

Personal experiences play important roles. As for the hypothesis, if not represented in studies, it is certainly reflected in penitentiaries.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by jiggawatts »

jmogly wrote: post #52
jiggawatts wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An observation I've made is that the most people ("the general population") will compromise on hard facts without pause to attain social goals. I.e.: They will follow instructions from a workplace superior with zero push-back even if the instructions are total nonsense or impossible to physically implement. It's a rare breed (1-2%) of the population that will actively push back, insist on facts, and stick to only the…

I think dismissing social realities as not being part of that hard, unyielding reality is a mistake. Part of intelligence (maybe a different part) is being able to bend the social fabric to achieve desirable outcomes. The other thing is you don’t always know why people do what they do, the world is a very subjective place. The people at work who don’t call things out, they might just be collecting a paycheck and are…

> I think dismissing social realities as not being part of that hard, unyielding reality is a mistake.

One of the realities is more unyielding than the other.

Pi can’t be redefined to be exactly 3 no matter how socially important the legislator is.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by retrocog »

petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

This feels true.
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