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Users only care about 20% of your application

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Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#51
I didn't read the article but in my experience, 80% of the application are parts that you rarely touch, config stuff and "LEFT JOIN" stuff.

There is always one or two parts where all data comes together and that is the heart of your application. Yeah those are the parts your users care about and pay you to make.

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#52

Pretty similar article to some old Spolsky blogposts: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/03/23/strategy-letter-iv... https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/12/09/simplicity/

It's crazy how well Joel Spolsky's works aged. Some of them ended up proving wrong (like he once predicted that making graphic cards would be a very thin margin business[0]), but most are still true today. Probably truer than when they were written. [0]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v In his defense, by the time 'video chips' were totally different things from today's mighty 5080.

> today's mighty 5080

Consumer GPUs really are not where the money is. It’s only a tiny fraction of Nvidia’s revenue, and much lower margin. Datacenter GPUs are where the volume and margins are.

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#53

Pretty similar article to some old Spolsky blogposts: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/03/23/strategy-letter-iv... https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/12/09/simplicity/

It's crazy how well Joel Spolsky's works aged. Some of them ended up proving wrong (like he once predicted that making graphic cards would be a very thin margin business[0]), but most are still true today. Probably truer than when they were written. [0]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v In his defense, by the time 'video chips' were totally different things from today's mighty 5080.

Joel is my favorite essay writer. His writing has established so many norms that cargo culted to hell. It's nice to paste the original articles to a whole new generation.

People know they should do coding tests in interviews, but not how they're designed to find smart and get things done.

People know they should code clean, but not how it only needs to be clean enough to spot dangers.

Some companies are paying super high prices for interns, and then don't try to integrate them into their recruiting funnel.

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#54
> Kagi didn't need to beat Google for everyone; they just needed to serve that specific slice of users perfectly. They focused on being the ideal 20% for people whose 20% Google was ignoring.

Yes, this is actually a critical insight into how to find product-market fit

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#55
I like to call this approach MISS (MISS – Make It Stupid, Simple) or better:

    Make
    It
    Stupid
    Simple,
    To
    Experience
    Revenue

    = M.I.S.S.T.E.R.
i.e. keep removing features until the idea fits in your head, the value can be explained concisely to a small group of people to whom it'll just 'click'.

https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/miss-make-it-stupid-simple/

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#57

Pretty similar article to some old Spolsky blogposts: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/03/23/strategy-letter-iv... https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/12/09/simplicity/

It's crazy how well Joel Spolsky's works aged. Some of them ended up proving wrong (like he once predicted that making graphic cards would be a very thin margin business[0]), but most are still true today. Probably truer than when they were written. [0]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v In his defense, by the time 'video chips' were totally different things from today's mighty 5080.

There's a few that have not, like his stance on rewrites. Apparently, if Joel's guru status had been properly respected, Netscape would be a powerhouse today, running on its Navigator codebase, because "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed. There’s nothing wrong with it."

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-...

There is of course some truth wrapped up in those thick layers of punditry, but even today that article gets trotted out as some kind of Revealed Truth of Software Engineering to be swallowed and digested without qualification.

(Edit: I agree that from-scratch total rewrites are rarely a good idea, and should require blindingly obvious justification at the very least. I still cannot take all the points about Old Code at face value, since rewrites often come about after Lots of Bugs have been found and continue to be found)

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#58

I didn't read the article but in my experience, 80% of the application are parts that you rarely touch, config stuff and "LEFT JOIN" stuff. There is always one or two parts where all data comes together and that is the heart of your application. Yeah those are the parts your users care about and pay you to make.

It's against the rules to say this, but it would definitely help to actually read the article.

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how well Joel Spolsky's works aged. Some of them ended up proving wrong (like he once predicted that making graphic cards would be a very thin margin business[0]), but most are still true today. Probably truer than when they were written. [0]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v In his defense, by the time 'video chips' were totally different things from today's mighty 5080.

> today's mighty 5080 Consumer GPUs really are not where the money is. It’s only a tiny fraction of Nvidia’s revenue, and much lower margin. Datacenter GPUs are where the volume and margins are.

I would have expected that consumer GPUs still have higher volume, but that Datacenter GPUs have much, much higher margin and therefore significantly higher revenue and profit. Is that not the case?

Re: Users only care about 20% of your application

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how well Joel Spolsky's works aged. Some of them ended up proving wrong (like he once predicted that making graphic cards would be a very thin margin business[0]), but most are still true today. Probably truer than when they were written. [0]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v In his defense, by the time 'video chips' were totally different things from today's mighty 5080.

> today's mighty 5080 Consumer GPUs really are not where the money is. It’s only a tiny fraction of Nvidia’s revenue, and much lower margin. Datacenter GPUs are where the volume and margins are.

Nvidia had a very high gross margin % (for a hardware company) of ~50% way before AI hype. Even before A100.
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