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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

i think it’s mostly for american tourists

It most definitely is not. The vast majority of customers at European Starbucks are locals, not tourists.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

I go to Starbucks for the co-working vibes, not the coffee. When are small coffee shops going to understand, if you have a 1 hour limit on how long I can sit there on my laptop (if you even allow laptops), I’m not going to go to your shop. Coffee doesn’t matter, it’s all the same shit. Starbucks has never cared if I buy one coffee and then sit there all day.

I hate going to independent coffee shops and having people hogging tables with laptops. It destroys the vibe of the place.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

In the US specialty coffee shops may be just as expensive or more expensive than Starbucks. Starbucks doesn't make good coffee, however they're main competitors in the US are basically Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, or various regional/local chains. So they are often better than the competitors, since Dunkin Donuts is not as consistent of quality, and McDonalds isn't really a cafe (despite being one of the largest coffee…

> In the US specialty coffee shops may be just as expensive or more expensive than Starbucks.

That was the case where I live for the longest time. Starbucks wasn't great, but it was a pretty big step above McDonalds and the others, and the local shops, while great, were way more expensive than Starbucks.

But now that's no longer the case, really. Plenty of local, really good coffee shops here that are now the similar pricing to Starbucks now that Starbucks has been consistently jacking up prices. Starbucks has no right to be asking $15+ for a triple shot 20oz drink when I can get a much better tasting one for the same price at the local shop across the street.

Where Starbucks still won was availability and consistency. They are literally everywhere, open later, and the recipes are so formulaic now that I know exactly what I'm getting no matter which shop I go to.

They do need to go back down in price though and settle back into that happy middle place.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

They have passable coffee but I think they actually did a good job of curating a good place to simply be.

They served as a pub, in the public house sense, for young professionals.

I think covid really derailed that and the vibe never quite returned. I'm not sure what people are using for a 'third place' (not home or work) these days but Starbucks is out of fashion and sometimes generally hostile to customer loitering now.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

In the US specialty coffee shops may be just as expensive or more expensive than Starbucks. Starbucks doesn't make good coffee, however they're main competitors in the US are basically Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, or various regional/local chains. So they are often better than the competitors, since Dunkin Donuts is not as consistent of quality, and McDonalds isn't really a cafe (despite being one of the largest coffee…

I agree the coffee at starbucks isn't great, but I feel the coffee at dunkin and mcdonalds are both better than starbucks. I like black coffee though, and Starbucks drip or americano just isn't good - I see starbucks more as a desert place than a coffee place, and judged on that they're good. I think more people want sweet milky coffees, and that's fine. That plus the environment is a big pull of Starbucks. It's not my thing, but I get why people like it

EDIT Also, I'm pretty sure the better coffee at mcdonalds happened after starbucks, IIRC they put a lot of effort into improving their offering after starbucks exploded

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I go to Starbucks for the co-working vibes, not the coffee. When are small coffee shops going to understand, if you have a 1 hour limit on how long I can sit there on my laptop (if you even allow laptops), I’m not going to go to your shop. Coffee doesn’t matter, it’s all the same shit. Starbucks has never cared if I buy one coffee and then sit there all day.

Thank God for coffee shops that impose time limits, lest patrons visiting for a coffee and a sit-down have to walk on by because the hipsters in their bollock-strangling denim, plaid shirts and a Crossley turntable tucked under their arm are already hogging the place. Top Tip: Easily avoid said sofa-hogging hipsters. Look for the bike rack full of Penny Farthings outside. Go to a Workday for your 'co-working vibes'.…

I don’t get it, if you go to a coffee shop for the coffee, why wouldn’t you just get your coffee and go? You’re complaining that other people are sitting… because you also want to sit? What else are you going to do? Sit and scroll through your phone?

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

In the US specialty coffee shops may be just as expensive or more expensive than Starbucks. Starbucks doesn't make good coffee, however they're main competitors in the US are basically Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, or various regional/local chains. So they are often better than the competitors, since Dunkin Donuts is not as consistent of quality, and McDonalds isn't really a cafe (despite being one of the largest coffee…

The closing at 2-3 PM drives me nuts.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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TLDR

Starbucks is closing about 1% of its North American stores due to poor performance or unsuitable locations. The company is eliminating approximately 900 corporate/office jobs and closing many open positions in support roles. Store employees at closing locations will be offered transfers to other stores when possible, or severance packages if no transfers are available.

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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I never understood Starbucks. I live in Europe, we have good coffee places everywhere. They are cheaper and serve significantly better coffee. I can't think of anything I ordered from Starbucks that didn't taste artificial.

Its not for the coffee

They are not hostile to laptops, and overall they have a well-thought out vibe with convenient seating and electricity plugs everywhere

Re: Starbucks: Location closures and elimination of roles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank God for coffee shops that impose time limits, lest patrons visiting for a coffee and a sit-down have to walk on by because the hipsters in their bollock-strangling denim, plaid shirts and a Crossley turntable tucked under their arm are already hogging the place. Top Tip: Easily avoid said sofa-hogging hipsters. Look for the bike rack full of Penny Farthings outside. Go to a Workday for your 'co-working vibes'.…

I don’t get it, if you go to a coffee shop for the coffee, why wouldn’t you just get your coffee and go? You’re complaining that other people are sitting… because you also want to sit? What else are you going to do? Sit and scroll through your phone?

As opposed to sitting on an overpriced laptop all day taking up space other people might want to use as well as costing a business time and money in lost custom so you can spend the day treating the coffee shop like rented office space?

What about patrons with disabilities? Patrons that might want to use the coffee shop to meet someone and talk to them and socialise?

If you want to use a coffee shop as a work hub either a) go to the office, b) work from home or c) go rent office space or visit a work hub.

Some people...

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