I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
> My bet is China will be the big winner.
Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?
They could make it an even 26 by the end of the night if they play their cards right. bats eyelashes, casually implements b-tree
I think you can safely hold off on the eyelash batting for a few months. There were only 25 fellowships available, applications opened on July 4th and all have been awarded. This page on the program will tell you more:
I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
China can benefit in the short-term if talent moves there, but it's very difficult to gain citizenship in China if you're not ethnically Chinese. That probably won't matter for people just moving for work, but those looking for a better life for their children or a home would likely consider it a blocker.
The article doesn't go into details whether these academics are full professors or e.g. postdocs. Twenty-five tenured professors would be a big deal because they tend to either bring their workgroups along or rebuild them at the new university. That's where the true impact of such news lies if these are indeed teachers: these groups produce a steady stream of future experts in the form of graduates and PhDs in their…
Another factor is if they're all from the same (sub)discipline. It doesn't take a lot of established researchers moving to shift a field's center of gravity somewhere else. When you start seeing research conferences that used to be in the US be held elsewhere instead, you'll know that the change has happened.
I'm on a researcher mailing-list discussing exactly this at the moment.
For the moment, the main argument for keeping some conferences within the US is the number of researchers (typically PhDs and postdocs) who couldn't attend then re-enter the US.
I’m currently reading a biography of Kurt Gödel¹ and the first 60 pages are about Austria’s authoritarian-driven brain drain almost 100 years ago. ¹ https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Edge-Reason-Life-G%C3%B6del/d...
Kurt Godel rather famously claimed to have spotted logical contradictions in the US constitution, which of course is not too controversial on its own (and was probably right given who he is), but presenting this argument in response to questions about the constitution that were given as part of his citizenship test was an insane thing to try no matter how good his logic.
Even if they were full professors, 25 seems like a literal drop in the bucket. There are 187 R1 universities in the US. Competition for professorships is so intense that a lot of people look at grad school as a sucker's bet. I'm happy for these people and for Austria, but I don't see a real news story here.
True.
What is meaningful, I suspect, is that this reverses the usual direction of brain drain. If this is not a fluke and that reversal gets consolidated, yeah, that's really bad for the US. Alongside the $100.000 H1B, there is a chance that this could durably shift Silicon Valley-style creativity outside of the US.
I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?
How about the opposite: the "great again" USA is very unwelcoming, that Chinese citizens who were attracted to the freedoms it once offered (a different flavour of freedom compared to the one Trump is currently offering) might now think "Sheesh, maybe let's not try to migrate to the USA and start a life there!".
I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?
I don't know, personally never went there. But it doesn't seem to be throwing out babies with the bath water, as currently the case in the US. What their immigration policies are in general I don't know, but they are a knowledge hungry worldpower, and we are talking about scientists here. And as for the EU, my concern remains, there are way too many Trump copycats, and it's difficult to trust it will not go down the same road. The problems and root causes are similar. If I didn't have kids I would've left Germany for sure by now.
https://www.univie.ac.at/aktuelles/detail/sechs-us-forscheri... Has some names. Only had patience to check the first one. Visiting Assistant Professor of Global Premodern Art History at the Ohio State University. Happy for him, wish Austria the best of luck...
Regardless of institution, there is a fierce debate of whether this is the right strategy after all - there are many excellent postdocs and scientists already in Europe waiting for faculty openings. Why not open these new positions to all candidates?