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Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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> DHH would be platformed—and ironically at the very conference he was asked not to keynote in 2022 seemingly as a result of Basecamp’s politically-charged implosion which led to a third of the entire company resigning in protest. That's a funny way to say that he asked for people to refrain from politics when they're at work and a third of the company said no and left, I really struggle to see this in a bad light. I…

I think one would have a hard time figuring out who quit because of the policy change, and who was just taking the buyout package.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Hate to break it to you but, sample size of 9, my entire friend group talks like this. We're all in our 30s. Language changes. The construction "what's up" and its extension "what's up with ..." didn't become widely accepted until Bugs Bunny brought it into the mainstream, and yet you use it as naturally as anything else at the beginning of your message. I don't know that it's particularly constructive to dish on thi…

The subheading is “ The drama never ends, but I am here to take a stand and do something about it”. It is total hypocrisy.

If you and your friends all talk in this way you are just oblivious to the fact you are the problem.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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I don't really understand the outrage either. If he was planning on including his political views in the speech, that's something else, but I personally don't give much of a fuck about the political views of anyone, especially wouldn't use it to inform my technology choices. It seem impossible for some people to allow anyone with dissenting views to their own to even exist anymore, pretty sad set of affairs. What's t…

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DHH has proposed killing people?

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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And this type of person seems to be exactly why Ruby Central did what it did: To save the projects from being misused as protest tools by histrionic people that make sweeping derogatory remarks about other people whose benign opinions they dislike. I am not affiliated with either “side” so I allow myself this small outburst of my own because I see no receipts and the tone of this blog post set the stage for it.

This is the decay of the current political discourse.

World views that disparage human beings where previously condemned but the overton window slowly shifted the topic of eg. "degenerates" back into the public. Even though we are thankfully not quite there to talk openly about a final solution (that time might come!).

It started with "edgy humor" and ambigous statements and slowly increased in misantrophy and number.

Ofc it is predominantly the political right that, openly or indirectly, revolves around conservative identity politics and in turn is more susceptible to disgust driven out-group biases.

But this behaviour can be seen on the political left too. As a reaction to the right communicating in dog whistles, they got kind of conditioned on it too and that is IMO the prime motivator of this blog post.

Jared White could have done a better job by collecting more examples of such "hate speech" but to be pedantic here, DHH -- like any reasonable person -- should avoid ambiguity and take a big step back from any ambiguous public communication or at least clarify.

When this open, clear and construstive communication doesnt happen, you can observe stuff like this. Name calling and blame around "banalities". Its just the surfacing part of a bigger conflict, which can be hard to pin point since one side is (intentionally) ambiguous/evasive/ignorant.

Reading DHHs quoted X post is a good example of deteriorating communication:

> @dhh: While the rest of the tech world has mostly moved on from the nonsense of the early 2020s, there are still a few ardent ideologues fighting the last war on Reddit, believing that ridiculous accusations like “nazi” and “fascist” still carry any weight

I wouldnt put a text together, where (1) i am not adressing the other sides concerns, (2) frame them negatively and (3) normalize allegations, others take very serious (nazi, fascism) as wheightless when i am in charge of managing (and uniting) a community. This is a serious red flag.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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That is not true, the phrase is non-native brits, and that is very different to what you wrote.

He says "non-native brits" and says there are "about a third" and links to a page showing 36% "White British"[0] (note: explicitly excluding non-white british)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303111

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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This is unrelated to Ruby and the author is against free speech because he wants to professionaly censor someone because of his work-unrelated opinions.

Plus there are perfectly valid reasons to prefer some categories of people over others. It has nothing to do with hate or fascism, it's only natural.

I'm a DINK (double-income no kids) and I don't feel the hate of DDH, I only see someone who thinks it's worthwhile to be a parent and it's a dead end not to be. It's technically true and you can't argue against that anyway.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Agreed, but being a conservative or right wing person does not equal being a fascist. We should be reserving those words to the people that really deserve them, otherwise the word loses the meaning.

We as a society keep coming up with more and more esoteric definition of "fascist" just to avoid having one that fits modern day political actors. I feel like the word has far more meaning here, where it's used to describe a set of policy prescriptions than it is as only referring to a list of groups with all criteria for entry erased.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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DHH has proposed killing people?

Have you read his blog post about London? The one where he praises the racist convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley-Lennon? The one where he described the violent march as being full of "normal, peaceful Brits"? The one where he stirs up ethnic tension by talking about "rape gangs" from one minority (despite the stats not backing up his assertion)? The one where he lavishes praise on an obsessive trasphobe?

What do you think he is trying to do if not incite violence and hate?

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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post #43

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I don't really understand the outrage either. If he was planning on including his political views in the speech, that's something else, but I personally don't give much of a fuck about the political views of anyone, especially wouldn't use it to inform my technology choices. It seem impossible for some people to allow anyone with dissenting views to their own to even exist anymore, pretty sad set of affairs. What's t…

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Eh, maybe I would actually.

Firstly, I don't give enough of a fuck about what any individual thinks and I certainly don't do background checks on conference speakers.

Secondly, where do you draw the line? Shop workers? Hair dressers? Your taxi driver? Many of those in the country in which I am an immigrant would gladly forcibly deport me and separate me from my family; but I don't run scared enough of them to try to silence them or hide from them.

Also, I think you're being somewhat dramatic here saying he openly called for imprisonment and executions, but please provide sources if I'm wrong.

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