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Re: Qwen3-VL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the model, but e.g. [1] found many models perform better if you are more polite. Though interestingly being rude can also sometimes improve performance at the cost of higher bias Intuitively it makes sense. The best sources tend to be either of moderately high politeness (professional language) or 4chan-like (rude, biased but honest) 1: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.14531

When I want an LLM to be be brief, I will say things like "be brief", "don't ramble", etc. When that fails, "shut the fuck up" always seems to do the trick.

I ripped into cursor today. It didn't change anything but I felt better lmao

Re: Qwen3-VL

#52
Roughly 1/10 the cost of Opus 4.1, 1/2 the cost of Sonnet 4 on per token inference basis. Impressive. I'd love to see a fast (groq style) version of this served. I wonder if the architecture is amenable.

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#53
I spent a little time with the thinking model today. It's good. It's not better than GPT5 Pro. It might be better than the smallest GPT 5, though.

My current go-to test is to ask the LLM to construct a charging solution for my macbook pro with the model on it, but sadly, I and the pro have been sent to 15th century Florence with no money and no charger. I explain I only have two to three hours of inference time, which can be spread out, but in that time I need to construct a working charge solution.

So far GPT-5 Pro has been by far the best, not just in its electrical specifications (drawings of a commutator), but it generated instructions for jewelers and blacksmith in what it claims is 15th century florentine italian, and furnished a year-by year set of events with trading / banking predictions, a short rundown of how to get to the right folks in the Medici family, .. it was comprehensive.

Generally models suggest building an Alternating current setup and then rectifying to 5V of DC power, and trickle charging over the USB-C pins that allow trickle charging. There's a lot of variation in how they suggest we get to DC power, and often times not a lot of help on key questions, like, say "how do I know I don't have too much voltage using only 15th century tools?"

Qwen 3 VL is a mixed bag. It's the only model other than GPT5 I've talked to that suggested building a voltaic pile, estimated voltage generated by number of plates, gave me some tests to check voltage (lick a lemon, touch your tongue. Mild tingling - good. Strong tingling, remove a few plates), and was overall helpful.

On the other hand, its money making strategy was laughable; predicting Halley's comet, and in exchange demanding a workshop and 20 copper pennies from the Medicis.

Anyway, interesting showing, definitely real, and definitely useful.

Re: Qwen3-VL

#54
Sadly it still fails the "extra limb" test.

I have a few images of animals with an extra limb photoshopped onto them. A dog with an leg coming out of it's stomach, or a cat with two front right legs.

Like every other model I have tested, it insists that the animals have their anatomically correct amount of limbs. Even pointing out there is a leg coming from the dogs stomach, it will push back and insist I am confused. Insist it counted again and there are definitely only 4. Qwen took it a step further and even after I told it the image was edited, it told me it wasn't and there were only 4 limbs.

Re: Qwen3-VL

#55

I spent a little time with the thinking model today. It's good. It's not better than GPT5 Pro. It might be better than the smallest GPT 5, though. My current go-to test is to ask the LLM to construct a charging solution for my macbook pro with the model on it, but sadly, I and the pro have been sent to 15th century Florence with no money and no charger. I explain I only have two to three hours of inference time, whic…

That is a freaking insanely cool answer from gpt5

Re: Qwen3-VL

#56

If you're in SF, you don't want to miss this. The Qwen team is making their first public appearance in the United States, with the VP of Qwen Lab speaking at the meetup below during SF teach week. https://partiful.com/e/P7E418jd6Ti6hA40H6Qm Rare opportunity to directly engage with the Qwen team members.

Registration full :-(

Re: Qwen3-VL

#57

Roughly 1/10 the cost of Opus 4.1, 1/2 the cost of Sonnet 4 on per token inference basis. Impressive. I'd love to see a fast (groq style) version of this served. I wonder if the architecture is amenable.

Cerebras are hosting other Qwen models via OpenRouter, so probably

Re: Qwen3-VL

#58
post #35

The Chinese are doing what they have been doing to the manufacturing industry as well. Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. These models might be bechmaxxed but as another comment said, i see so many that it might as well be the most impressive benchmaxxing today, if not just a genuinely SOTA open source model. They even relea…

> Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. This "just" is incorrect. The Qwen team invented things like DeepStack https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.04334 (Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing. Do we say "The British" if it came from a DeepMind team in the UK? Or what if there are Chinese born US citizens working in Paris for Mistral? Giv…

> Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing

to me it was positive assessment, I adore their craftsmanship and persistence in moving forward for long period of time.

Re: Qwen3-VL

#59

I spent a little time with the thinking model today. It's good. It's not better than GPT5 Pro. It might be better than the smallest GPT 5, though. My current go-to test is to ask the LLM to construct a charging solution for my macbook pro with the model on it, but sadly, I and the pro have been sent to 15th century Florence with no money and no charger. I explain I only have two to three hours of inference time, whic…

> predicting Halley's comet, and in exchange demanding a workshop and 20 copper pennies from the Medicis

I love this! Simple and probably effective (or would get you killed for witchcraft)

Re: Qwen3-VL

#60

China is winning the hearts of developers in this race so far. At least, they won mine already.

Arguably they’ve already won. Check the names at the top the next time you see a paper from an American company, a lot of them are Chinese.
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