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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Bender »

walterbell wrote: post #36
Bender wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet will route around it How will the internet route around client side scanning? Some here will not be affected but I suspect the masses would have a harder time assuming they are even aware that cell phones, Windows recall and Mac mediaanalysisd are performing scans. Most people do not install custom phone OS images.

> Mac mediaanalysisd are performing scans Would this work? https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/u17hsa/please_help_m... sudo killall -STOP mediaanalysisd mediaanalysisd-access

If they start doing client side scanning under some law I assume they will put measures in place to fix anything the client does to break it so I think time will tell what will be effective.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by morkalork »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #48
lordnacho wrote: post #30

What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance? It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing. W…

Ask your local corporate IT guy how many people browse porn on work computers, even though they must know it's logged.

There is already a market for secure phones used by organized crime, this will only intensify the demand (plus another opportunity for to infiltrate them like has also happened before)

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by msm_ »

morkalork wrote: post #52
IncreasePosts wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask your local corporate IT guy how many people browse porn on work computers, even though they must know it's logged.

There is already a market for secure phones used by organized crime, this will only intensify the demand (plus another opportunity for to infiltrate them like has also happened before)

As a devil's advocate, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. 99% of criminals likely don't have enough knowledge to maintain proper opsec, so spying on chats could in principle help here.

On the other hand, there are also criminal groups, right now, that do actual crime, that operate on discord. Going after them would be trivial in comparison, and yet we introduce extreme spying laws instead.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by jbstack »

Will Chat Control be retrospective? I.e. once it's implemented will governments have access to all previous communications or just those from that point onwards? Also how does it work geographically? Is it based on my location, where my phone was made/bought, something else...?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by tomhow »

guywithahat wrote: post #28
saubeidl wrote: post #17

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That is how the government is trying to save face now that Disney decided to stand up to them. Their threats are public, their later lies do not change them.

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by perelin »

whatshisface wrote: post #37
atomic128 wrote: post #27

If you have been watching the world in 2025 you know Tor is gradually becoming essential. Install the Tor Browser and search for free speech in the hidden service HTTP response dumps here: https://rnsaffn.com/zg4/ Not censored, not safe for work, sorry.

It sounds like chat control will require Tor clients in Europe to scan traffic before it is encrypted and report material to (local?) governments. This could be enforced, on phones at least, with Android's new developer key signing requirements that are slated to be phased in one year from now (in 2026).

Tor on mobile devices (at least iOS, Android) is not recommended anyway. Guess true Linux phones might finally see their hour.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by sgc »

Can somebody explain to me how backdooring every app does not lead to the real risk of an entire population's bank accounts being emptied, or similar more hidden but widespread attacks that absolutely cripple any country doing this? Almost immediately, enemy State actors will have almost as complete access as the government passing the law; blackmail will become trivial; they could just subtly weaken adversaries nonstop over the years for a more patient return, etc? It just seems ridiculously dangerous. How is having a single point of failure (or handful of points of failure) for an entire country or continent defensible simply from the perspective of opsec?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

sterlind wrote: post #58
zzzeek wrote: post #21

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I'm an American, and our politicians are starting to discuss forcibly institutionalizing all trans people. living my days out in a padded cell is not my idea of liberty, thank you. I'm getting out of here.

Give me your passport. I want in.
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