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The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by dpatterbee »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #48
oliwarner wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software ecosystems create communities and give developers a voice. It's okay to care about the health of the community. To worry about the voices promoted.

I agree up to a point, I find nauseating the idea that somebody digged so deep into a person where the most likely explanation is that the goal is to generate outrage with every of their statement (doesn't matter what's the reason). Even social media websites realized that's the way to get traction. Now if the problem shows up during a professional interaction in work on open source software, causing damage to somebo…

> digged so deep into a person

They literally just read his blog.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by eowyn »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #48
oliwarner wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software ecosystems create communities and give developers a voice. It's okay to care about the health of the community. To worry about the voices promoted.

I agree up to a point, I find nauseating the idea that somebody digged so deep into a person where the most likely explanation is that the goal is to generate outrage with every of their statement (doesn't matter what's the reason). Even social media websites realized that's the way to get traction. Now if the problem shows up during a professional interaction in work on open source software, causing damage to somebo…

It doesn't require any amount of digging to learn about DHH's opinions. He writes, tweets, speaks about them. He's an influential voice in the Ruby and Rails communities and any regular participants are likely to hear about him

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by motbus3 »

graemep wrote: post #41
motbus3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it was the case, which by merely impression of being there for few days recently, but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people? attacking them? Curbing their right for their beliefs? Taking all the jobs deeming a class, race or group segregated? I don't think so. If anything, i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs. I get why people are…

> I get why people are frustrated, but it feels like anger's just being used for political gains. There is no easy answers to the current economic problems. I have a more cynical cynical variation on that take. its being used to distract attention from the need for real economic (or any other) change. Politicians want business as usual (i.e. the Blair/Cameron "centrist" consensus). I do not think the EU is relevant t…

You have an interesting take

Whatsoever it is, for sure it will not solve any of the root causes of UK's problems. The lack of structured internal investment with good planning and execution is what has been causing the UK to fall behind Germany.

For me, it seems that the British ate being steered away from important decision processes like "should we really invest in another war?" And "should we increase the number of doctors and care workers that has being stagnated for the past 15 years?" Or even "should UK invest more in telecom communication?"

As many other countries, UK has turned into technology hostage. Luckily, the incredible background created by geniuses of that past still holds up but the lag is already showing.

Nothing would sabe Britain if certain president charged taxes for cloud services, AI or processors and GPUs.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by motbus3 »

jajahabav wrote: post #29
motbus3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it was the case, which by merely impression of being there for few days recently, but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people? attacking them? Curbing their right for their beliefs? Taking all the jobs deeming a class, race or group segregated? I don't think so. If anything, i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs. I get why people are…

> but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people I don’t want to sound like Elon musk (he’s corrupt like the rest), but white people aren’t really reproducing at a rate to keep them going. There’s other ways for a race to die out. You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites? > i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs. Beca…

You have good points but there is no way that the costs wouldn't blow the ceilings off if those measures are taken as is.

I do agree that the immigration system is broken. But I do not agree that immigrants are the problem. Simply retroactively applying rules to the folks who are literally accepting to be exploited is not only unfair as immoral, unless you do not consider them people.

I would need to check the gov docs again for the maths, but if this triggers high skilled workers to leave (and only them, not even counting other side effects) it would cause a 2B-4B blast in the economics.

And this do not even consider possible causes of returning the money from pension partially or fully.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by ricardobeat »

throw5t4323rt wrote: post #38

I’m surprised DHH made the blog post on the hey.com domain, since it’s also the domain of their email service. If I was a customer I would be canceling my service because I really don’t want my emails to be associated with any type of controversial topic. Why doesn’t he post it under his own domain, rather than a company one? I’ve used Basecamp in the past, and actually considered signing up for hey.com. Good thing I…

Hey can be used as a blogging platform (https://www.hey.com/world/), that would be the equivalent of deleting your GitHub account because someone published a controversial project.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by KaiserPro »

graemep wrote: post #14
tietjens wrote: post #2

I don't know why I'm surprised, but this blog does link to DHH actually complaining about the present-day ethnic makeup of London ("demographic nightmare") and contrasting it with Copenhagen. London is apparently too brown for DHH and he is clearly saying that you can't be a native Brit if you're not white. Repugnant and willfully idiotic.

As a non-white British person i have no problem with native meaning certain ethnicities - after all, no one would call a white American a native American. What is very, very troubling is his idea that London of all places should be an ethnically white city. London has been multi-ethnic since the 70s or 80s, if not earlier. It is very much a world city. The other thing is that he is Danish and seems to be projecting h…

> London has been multi-ethnic since the 70s or 80s,

windrush was the 1950, but chinatown had been around since the late 1880s

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by onetimepass3 »

It’s 2025 and it’s concerning that we are still trying to cancel and silence people for opining.

People have a right to voice unpopular opinions. And programming communities have to stop pretending like they are some self-righteous above-everyone morally-superior folks.

It’s incredibly lazy as well to label someone as racist, whatever-ist by quoting what they say as if a quote can encapsulate a person’s whole life and meaning.

What DHH says is actually the majority opinion of the world. I am an immigrant and do not find his thoughts controversial. I might disagree on some points but it is rather dismissive and tone deaf to ignore a majority opinion and silence it as if the programming enclaves of $100k compensated individuals somehow are superior to or worse, represent the majority population who may not have the same opportunities and thinking patterns.

It’s also tiring to see these write ups to portray to the world how good and liberal you are and to show which party one is aligned with (your tent is getting smaller even though you originally thought it included everyone) - groupthink masquerading as original free thought. I am actually not (no longer) part of your tent as I find it repulsive and lazy.

Programmers should program and not limit programming communities from people they somehow think are morally inferior.

Just realize that you are just as shitty as the person you think you are superior too.

It’s all code at the end of the day.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by arnz-arnz »

ricardobeat wrote: post #55
throw5t4323rt wrote: post #38

I’m surprised DHH made the blog post on the hey.com domain, since it’s also the domain of their email service. If I was a customer I would be canceling my service because I really don’t want my emails to be associated with any type of controversial topic. Why doesn’t he post it under his own domain, rather than a company one? I’ve used Basecamp in the past, and actually considered signing up for hey.com. Good thing I…

Hey can be used as a blogging platform ( https://www.hey.com/world/ ), that would be the equivalent of deleting your GitHub account because someone published a controversial project.

DHH is a co-owner, so it's like leaving X because you know why
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