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Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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I don't like the word "karma" because it's often, for better in worse, group affinity (and we are most often trajectories rather than pure insight). I often find minority views and unexplored paths interesting, even when they're obviously wrong. One time I made a negative comment about Lord of the Rings, and I think I lost a thousand points. Does it really make sense that my karma as a complete user drops so much bec…

My karma gets hit for having views against green energy and conservative leaning economics. There is a problem here with high karma correlating with being in the same echo chamber as everyone else. I mainly want to get to the downvote threshold so I can also exert an alternative influence (as I'm in the minority I think). It's been many years...

I find that following a few rules helps to keep my heterodox views from hurting my karma too much.

1) Keep them to myself most of the time. Pick my spots, in other words, and don't just toss off quick replies every time I disagree (who's got that kind of time anyway).

2) Don't make a factual claim without a link to back it up, even (maybe especially) if it's something everyone knows. There seems to be enough respect for the process of researching something and backing up your claims here, that people are less likely to downvote a fact they don't like to hear if you make the effort. (This is one thing that distinguishes HN from Reddit.)

3) Make the case dryly and impersonally. People are less likely to be triggered by disagreement if they don't feel like you're laughing at them or calling them stupid.

4) Include a "to be fair" balancing point if you can do so truthfully. For instance, if you're criticizing the Democrats, point out where the Republicans are also wrong on something.

Of course, none of this would be necessary to keep my karma positive if I were left-leaning, but that's okay. Communities should be allowed to lean whichever way they want, and there's nothing wrong with dissenters having to work harder to fit in.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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IMO one of the things that makes HN so special is the "culture" here. Having been on here since 2018, most folks here are acutely aware of the issues that other sites like Reddit have and we all collectively work to preserve this space so it doesn't become like the other places. If I see a meme on Reddit I would probably upvote it, but if I see that exact same meme on here I would downvote and probably report it too.…

Interesting, for me Hacker News is just about being reasonable. Consequently, I find all other online places so far unreasonable. I am on Reddit, but honestly, it’s more of an anthropology thing rather than anything else. Sometimes I see if I can vibe with the subreddits, and I can. The problem is usually I feel awful because a good faith discussion generally can’t be held. To me, vibing in many subreddits just means promoting values that I don’t actually stand behind.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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Maybe they do now, but I remember losing a lot more than that for that comment. I recall it was just after I made a comment that received a lot of upvotes, which were more than wiped out by having a critical view of the ultimate morality of LoTR. Then again, my "karma" currently at 1066 after 12 years goes up and down by points at a time, so a few points lost will be felt more than for people who have tens of thousan…

I assume https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17247823 is the comment? Barring some catastrophic bug that we never heard about, those posts wouldn't have subtracted more than a few points from your account karma. Your other posts in the thread also got some downvotes, so they would have added a few more. But it couldn't have been a thousand or even a hundred because there were only a few dozen votes on those posts in…

Thank you dang! I guess it felt like a thousand lost points cumulatively in the moment, but knowing some people, especially such a thoughtful person as yourself, appreciate diverse posts makes a high karma score wonderfully inconsequential.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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This post recommends the Newsit extension to view Hacker News discussion associated with a page.

In the same vein, a few years ago, I made a Firefox extension for users who want a privacy-preserving way to see if pages have associated HN discussion:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hacker-news-d...

Most other extensions probably hit an external API (such as Algolia) to check submission status, which means they send every page you visit to that API. Instead, my extension uses Bloom filters compiled from every link ever submitted (updated daily from the Hacker News BigQuery dataset) to check the current page's submission status. By using Bloom filters, my extension only hits the API when you click the button to view the discussion.

Source code here:

https://github.com/jstrieb/hackernews-button

Feel free to pull the Bloom filters from the "Releases" section of that repo on GitHub to use in other projects if you'd like!

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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My karma gets hit for having views against green energy and conservative leaning economics. There is a problem here with high karma correlating with being in the same echo chamber as everyone else. I mainly want to get to the downvote threshold so I can also exert an alternative influence (as I'm in the minority I think). It's been many years...

I find that following a few rules helps to keep my heterodox views from hurting my karma too much. 1) Keep them to myself most of the time. Pick my spots, in other words, and don't just toss off quick replies every time I disagree (who's got that kind of time anyway). 2) Don't make a factual claim without a link to back it up, even (maybe especially) if it's something everyone knows. There seems to be enough respect…

The delay timer option for submitting posts on HN's user configuration page is also helpful for that. Sometimes I will find myself making a post but then realize after a couple of minutes that it's not really worthwhile and then delete it before it ever becomes visible to other users.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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That was my first reaction but they did address it in their comment. > The real juicers are usually buried near the bottom of the page, a few comments above where the apathy and sarcasm start bleeding into grey . Emphasis added.

> a few comments above where the apathy and sarcasm start bleeding into grey. I wouldn't call the dead comments apathetic and sarcastic. They're typically vile and humorless.

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Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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IMO one of the things that makes HN so special is the "culture" here. Having been on here since 2018, most folks here are acutely aware of the issues that other sites like Reddit have and we all collectively work to preserve this space so it doesn't become like the other places. If I see a meme on Reddit I would probably upvote it, but if I see that exact same meme on here I would downvote and probably report it too.…

I wonder how much of the difference is just because HN doesn't allow you to post / display images inline like Reddit does, forcing users to engage with the content (written or video) rather than just reflexively upvote low-effort content.

> display images inline like Reddit does

That's a relatively new development. The cultural aspects that you're describing were already in place (entrenched) well before Reddit integrated that feature.

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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My karma gets hit for having views against green energy and conservative leaning economics. There is a problem here with high karma correlating with being in the same echo chamber as everyone else. I mainly want to get to the downvote threshold so I can also exert an alternative influence (as I'm in the minority I think). It's been many years...

I find that following a few rules helps to keep my heterodox views from hurting my karma too much. 1) Keep them to myself most of the time. Pick my spots, in other words, and don't just toss off quick replies every time I disagree (who's got that kind of time anyway). 2) Don't make a factual claim without a link to back it up, even (maybe especially) if it's something everyone knows. There seems to be enough respect…

This is exactly how I try to operate, and amazingly, it doesn't just work on hacker news, it works in real life!

Re: Beyond the Front Page: A Personal Guide to Hacker News

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>the servers that run HN are surprisingly modest: just two machines with quad-core Intel Xeon E5-2637 v4 CPUs, running FreeBSD Very nice. I used FreeBSD on my server until Version 9, I think I left for 2 reasons. The server experience heat death (my fault) and its Laptop support. I heard v15 became alpha + its Laptop support has improved a lot. I will keep an eye on v15 and give it a try when released. FWIW, I had to…

I wonder what the uptime numbers are on the HN machines.
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