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Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by BoorishBears »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #47
BoorishBears wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Apple would buy Jetbrains... or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave. Imagine an AppCode successor that was designed in full partnership with the XCode team? Tantalizing.

As daily user of Jetbrains’ software (and someone who agrees with TFA about xcode) I don’t want Apple anywhere near them

So as a daily user of Jetbrains software, who also finds XCode awful, you would not want XCode replaced by a Jetbrains project that isn't hacked together and reverse engineered like AppCode was?

Or you just wanted to be dramatic?

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by zt64 »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #47
BoorishBears wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Apple would buy Jetbrains... or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave. Imagine an AppCode successor that was designed in full partnership with the XCode team? Tantalizing.

As daily user of Jetbrains’ software (and someone who agrees with TFA about xcode) I don’t want Apple anywhere near them

I also agree, I would not want this to happen.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by mayoff »

RedNifre wrote: post #40

Could some Xcode uers explain to me why AppCode (IntelliJ IDE) did not take off as an Xcode replacement? I recently had to do some iOS work, knew that Xcode sucks, wanted to try AppCode, only to learn that it was discontinued because of lack of interest.

My problem with AppCode was that the syntax of Swift was still undergoing rapid development, and AppCode lagged too far behind. So AppCode wouldn't understand parts of my code unless I avoided the latest (often very valuable) additions to the language.

When it did understand my code, it was much better than Xcode for navigating and refactoring.

Also, AppCode couldn't edit or even display XIBs so I often had to keep Xcode running alongside it anyway to edit XIBs and make connections between XIB and code, and that was a hassle.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by pohuing »

sschueller wrote: post #8

Apple would have been avoided by developers if they weren't part of the smartphone duopoly. The tools and processes are just that bad. Now Google has decided to make theirs even worse than Apple at least when it comes to publishing in the play store.

Aren't Google just matching Apple with the signing and notarization bullshit? Except Google is free?

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by crossroadsguy »

SilverElfin wrote: post #12

Apple doesn’t care. Look at how bad iTunes or iCloud or whatever is. Especially on windows. Their software is terrible. They focus mostly on what makes money. And the support is non existent. All you can do is shout in the forums but some Apple apologist will respond rudely or with some unhelpful generic tips that do nothing.

I couldn't agree more - the not caring part. But then you should try to do an app in the Android code/build/test/publish ecosystem. As someone who had/has to use both os/dev ecosystems for work, I often wondered which one is worse, and what bothered me is that I couldn't conclude.

So in this great duopoly, these two tech giants constantly compete to become more and more hostile and pathetic to both the users and the developers.

> Apple apologist will respond rudely or with some unhelpful generic tips

Aha. The "you are holding it wrong", "this is how the Lord intended it to behave", "buy a new .." … fruit company fan base phenomena.

Apple's majority of buyers aren't their users or consumers; they are Apple fans and supporters. If Apple had consumers like Android, Linux, or Windows, either they would have fixed their act or been in the ground by now.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

BoorishBears wrote: post #51
tailspin2019 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As daily user of Jetbrains’ software (and someone who agrees with TFA about xcode) I don’t want Apple anywhere near them

So as a daily user of Jetbrains software, who also finds XCode awful, you would not want XCode replaced by a Jetbrains project that isn't hacked together and reverse engineered like AppCode was? Or you just wanted to be dramatic?

What would actually happen is that all of Toolbox would be replaced by Xcode.

No one wants that.

I'm sure Apple's Dev Tools team reads HN, and it's baffling they just don't care that the product has such a bad reputation. Or if the team cares, some layer of adjacent management clearly doesn't.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by bentocorp »

I was going to defend Xcode and say it's not that bad... but then I read the article and realised that I have just become so accustomed to these problems that I don't consciously realise the daily hellfire that I experience.

Even when you think you're immune to it, Stockholm syndrome is real.

A similar article I wrote on the 'Dark Side' of Apple Development, brings up many additional issues:

https://www.magiclasso.co/insights/apple-development/

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by bitwize »

sschueller wrote: post #8

Apple would have been avoided by developers if they weren't part of the smartphone duopoly. The tools and processes are just that bad. Now Google has decided to make theirs even worse than Apple at least when it comes to publishing in the play store.

Xcode was great in the early Mac OS X days. It turned to crap when it became Apple's moat for iOS developers.
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