Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers • Hacker News Board

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 1:42 AM UTC

jonstewart wrote: post #40

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #23

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If there such a thing as American exceptionalism, if the USA has an edge, it is immigration. Without it, our demographic future is cooked. So, that’s why.

> If there such a thing as American exceptionalism, if the USA has an edge, it is immigration

You’re conflating cause and effect. The U.S. has had high immigration because it’s exceptional, not the other way around. The U.S. GDP/capita was head and shoulders above everyone except Great Britain by 1801: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/bdvazr/top.... That was before even the German mass migration.

Silicon Valley arose during the 1950s and 1960, during a period of very low foreign born population in California: https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-in-california/

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by ivewonyoung » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 1:48 AM UTC

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #23

C-x_C-f wrote: post #7

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A quarter of all the billion dollar+ US startups had founders who were on student/work visas at some point. If you include founders who are born of work immigrant parents that number will only go up.

Just imagine all the technology, jobs and wealth created by just SpaceX, Google, Tesla alone.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by terminalshort » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 1:48 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #35

nonethewiser wrote: post #6

H1-B program is exploited. They are not supposed to be hired unless there aren't Americans who can fill the role. There should be a large fee associated with it.

Find me a dozen new grads with exploit development experience or OS internals knowhow beyond a summary course. I can do that in Tel Aviv over a week.

Maybe don't hire new grads if you need experience for the position.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 1:52 AM UTC

yahway wrote: post #36

C-x_C-f wrote: post #7

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America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.

tell me you've never opened a history book...

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by chickenzzzzu » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 1:56 AM UTC

ivewonyoung wrote: post #52

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #23

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A quarter of all the billion dollar+ US startups had founders who were on student/work visas at some point. If you include founders who are born of work immigrant parents that number will only go up. Just imagine all the technology, jobs and wealth created by just SpaceX, Google, Tesla alone.

Retail investors can't purchase shares of SpaceX. Nearly anyone on Earth can purchase shares of Google and Tesla, and we all benefit from the knock on effects of their technology.

And yet only Americans have to compete for housing and jobs in this context.

I ask you once again, why would I lose anything if Tesla was in the UAE?

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by ivewonyoung » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 2:02 AM UTC

Jalad wrote: post #17

Bsky thread which reported a bunch of details I didn't see in other outlets https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3l...

> H-1B visa holders are REQUIRED to leave the country to renew their visas every few years

This part is not exactly true. You can renew H1B indefinitely within the USA(every 3 years, need a pending Green card application from the 2nd extension onwards i.e after 6 years). However, if you leave the US for any reason you won't be able to re-enter the USA without a renewed visa stamp from a US embassy. The two exceptions are that you can visit Canada or Mexico for less than 30 days without triggering the visa stamp requirement.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by cmxch » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM UTC

C-x_C-f wrote: post #37

yahway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.

> America got to the moon without H1-Bs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip From the linked article: > The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and the success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

Those are not H1-Bs.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by cmxch » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM UTC

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #54

yahway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.

tell me you've never opened a history book...

You mean the part where former HP exec Carly Fiorina said “Forget the engineers”?

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by cmxch » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 2:15 AM UTC

Just rip out the entire 1965 Immigration Act root and stem along with its follow on provisions. Then replace with a points system with citizen impact factored into the equation.

To handle the losses, have any firm and their downstream contractors and clients pay off displaced individuals many times over, with regional adjustments - such that it is cost prohibitively expensive to even think of bodyshopping people.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by ivewonyoung » Sat, Sep 20, 2025, 2:15 AM UTC

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #55

ivewonyoung wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quarter of all the billion dollar+ US startups had founders who were on student/work visas at some point. If you include founders who are born of work immigrant parents that number will only go up. Just imagine all the technology, jobs and wealth created by just SpaceX, Google, Tesla alone.

Retail investors can't purchase shares of SpaceX. Nearly anyone on Earth can purchase shares of Google and Tesla, and we all benefit from the knock on effects of their technology. And yet only Americans have to compete for housing and jobs in this context. I ask you once again, why would I lose anything if Tesla was in the UAE?

> ask you once again, why would I lose anything if Tesla was in the UAE?

Tesla employs 120,000 people in the US, not to mention all the federal, state, local, SS and Medicare taxes paid. Tesla employees, especially early ones, also had their stock options grow huge, building US wealth and increasing taxes owed and paid.