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Introducing Stargate UK

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Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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This is so sad. Like an addict who is hoping for that easy win to get them out of the terrible hole they are in... This government (as the last, to be fair) is betting on unproven technology they barely understand and sometimes horribly misunderstand rather than making tough policy decisions. The parts of this that actually materialise are very probably a good thing for the country, but this should really be business…

This just feels to me like you’re starting from a conclusion (“the UK is being badly managed”) and working backwards in a somewhat nonsensical manner. Yes AI is new but it has contributed to something like 1/6th of total US economic growth over the last year and of course any government will be courting more investment of that type. To the Americans I would note that your country is currently being even more badly ru…

> 1/6th of total US economic growth over the last year

What economy indicator exactly are you referring to?

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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The UK has been badly managed for as long as I've been alive, which is half a century. This isn't party political. The tories have been worse than Labour in many respects but it's a shit show all round imo.

But then where hasn’t been? When I was born we were poorer than all of France, Japan, and Italy on a per capita basis and now we are not. We have broadly kept pace with US growth since the end of world war 2. We have failed to figure out strategies to close the gap with the US by growing faster but we are doing no worse.

"we are doing no worse" : is that the royal we? Because normal people absolutely are doing a lot worse over that last couple of decades.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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Why not have this located in northern Scotland taking advantage of the surplus wind power being wasted due to north-south grid capacity, instead it’s likely going to be powered by gas generators. In general the UK government talks growth but so far has delivered anti growth. Tech outsourcing seems to have really picked up since the NI changes.

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Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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Ok let’s assume that AI will be a game changer. How does hosting it in the UK change anything? Just feels like something to brag about, but doesn’t have any impact. The UK is suffering from persistently expensive electricity ( https://grid.iamkate.com/ , see All-Time). How does hosting AI data centres help with that?

I don't know much about this but do these prices reflect electricity costs for a datacenter? Maybe the infra is different than for general public use.. maybe the last mile problems don't exist for data centers.

This is true. Data centres usually sign deals with power plants. But for the country as a whole, it does exacerbate the problem with a lack of energy.

And I’m perfectly happy to spend the energy as well! It’s just unclear what the benefit is to hosting within the UK.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just feels to me like you’re starting from a conclusion (“the UK is being badly managed”) and working backwards in a somewhat nonsensical manner. Yes AI is new but it has contributed to something like 1/6th of total US economic growth over the last year and of course any government will be courting more investment of that type. To the Americans I would note that your country is currently being even more badly ru…

> 1/6th of total US economic growth over the last year What economy indicator exactly are you referring to?

The percentage of GDP growth attributed to investments in computer and communications equipment, including chips, and data centres from the official statistics.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then where hasn’t been? When I was born we were poorer than all of France, Japan, and Italy on a per capita basis and now we are not. We have broadly kept pace with US growth since the end of world war 2. We have failed to figure out strategies to close the gap with the US by growing faster but we are doing no worse.

"we are doing no worse" : is that the royal we? Because normal people absolutely are doing a lot worse over that last couple of decades.

I fear “we are not the richest country in the world” is an unreasonable standard for claiming chronic mismanagement.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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This kind of science/tech investment is and has been catnip for UK government, regardless of political party, for years. They're out of ideas to stimulate growth, and AI is their hail Mary. No one involved seems to be able to explain why it will work.

From what I gather the UKians have a real chip on their shoulders from being left out of every tech revolution of the recent decades (chips, EVs and assorted green energy tech, rockets and now AI)

Number of objects launched into orbit by country, both cumulative and annual:

1. USA

2. Russia

3. China

4. Britain

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-number-of-obje...

Not bad for a small country that's never been involved in a space race and which stopped trying to be a global Great Power before the space age even started.

I'm from Britain and can't think of anyone I know who has a chip on their shoulder about technology, largely because most of us either went to work for successful American firms the moment we graduated, or in the case of my brother, made a successful tech startup, grew it to be a profitable business and then sold it for a large sum of money (to the Americans again). Many of us have managed to achieve great life success by taking part in the tech industry, and were rewarded with small ownership stakes in those firms as a result. The fact that we didn't found those companies is a pity and a genuine source of relative weakness, but the reality is that the internet makes for global markets in which for any given product category there can only be a few winners. People can't really handle more than about four or five brands vying for attention simultaneously, which means it's just not mentally possible for every country to have a successful tech company in every category. The places that managed to grow competitors to the big US success stories all relied on either language barriers or government interference.

As for the rest, note that the USA is holding onto chip manufacture by its fingernails right now, an obsession with green tech is exactly the reason there aren't many AI datacenters in the UK to begin with, and Britain birthed one of the world's top AI labs. Yes, owned by Google because only great powers can invest the sums required, but that's OK. The collaboration between Britain and America on AI has been superb nonetheless.

Don't get me wrong. The UK is in a terrible state right now, the result of decades of leftward drift after the 1980s that consistently prioritized everything except economic success. Just turning around the Titanic would take years even if the process were to start tomorrow, which it won't, and the cultural gap is real. But there are still some strong foundations there. A whole generation of Brits have learned what great companies look like by working for the Americans. That's not reflected in their politics yet because politics is in both countries dominated by the old, and currently revolves around the issue of mass immigration. Economic success is on the backburner for now. But it'll come back. And when it does, there will be people who are ready to lead.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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OpenAI seem very non-commital about the whole thing. They will "explore offtake", which effectively means they'll think about it. This lack of commitment in a world where we seemingly can't build new data centers fast enough is a bit worrying. They clearly anticipate scenarios in which they won't want this capacity either because of poor pricing or lack of demand.

They seem to be betting on multiple things happening at once - as indicated by recent projections by their CFO, following Oracle's own insane projections. They are betting on demand rising exponentially and somehow keeping up with it using a consistent monetization model - which is not there yet. I am not a finance person, but I wish more people with qualifications - and hopefully unaffiliated with any party - scrutinized all those claims and projections.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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The AI grift is so obvious now. The smart are abusing the dumb.

Can you explain how this is a grift?

Because none of our most advanced llm models need more than a few h100s or whatever. They would be better building exascale computing not centred on llms. It's blatantly promising undeliverable results.

Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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Ok let’s assume that AI will be a game changer. How does hosting it in the UK change anything? Just feels like something to brag about, but doesn’t have any impact. The UK is suffering from persistently expensive electricity ( https://grid.iamkate.com/ , see All-Time). How does hosting AI data centres help with that?

Well, they're aiming to do the power via SMR reactors, and they have a large government supported company (Rolls) making those. I think there's a bit of a hail mary that that will be a successful export story.

I love small modular reactor reactors
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