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My thoughts on renting versus buying

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Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and how about also people in older generations who are done paying off mortgages and now live paying just the real estate tax.

Because they purchased. And they stayed there. I think people forget that boomers bought their houses 20 30, 40 years ago, and they stayed there. It's not like they bought it 10 years ago and all of a sudden it went up dramatically. I don't think a lot of people consider that longer timeline, it's just easier to blame "boomers."

And maintained it. The house didn't just get better over 30 years. A lot of weekends were spent painting and mending things.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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When my computer was getting too loud, I took a drill, made a hole to the closet, and moved it in there and ran the cables through the hole.

When I didn't like mowing the hill behind my house, I had a retaining wall put in. Also preserving the elevated deck.

When I found i didn't like the elevated deck, I build a new ground level one with my father in law.

I'm not sure I like entering into the kitchen so I'll probably put a door into the porch instead.

I'm not saying I couldn't just rent a new place to find better digs. But I hate moving, hate shopping for new houses, love this yard and house in general, and am not paying more month to month than I was when renting (and get much more space for the dollar).

I don't want this place to make me rich, in the above you might get a sense that I already feel content. That's my decision criteria and I don't know why that's incorrect. You don't have to run a household like an investment company.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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I don't disagree with the his points, however:

"The flexibility of renting has major financial advantages"

Like 80% of my motivation to make money in past was: to buy a house. I have no interest in FIRE and be a couch surfing digital nomad around the world or whatever.

So it's hard for me to be motivated by the financial aspect if the end result was no house for now basically.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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It's interesting to paint the homeowner as an emotional person and the renter as the pragmatic, however both are roughly equally emotional. As the rent prices keep rising, the renter in the end will end up spending much more money in the same duration as a mortgage, won't they? After a few years, when they end up owning more of the property, they can secure a good deal with better monthly mortgage payments. They can…

its a unique math problem for the individual, but if you ARE buying, that likely means you have a down payment. so if you rent instead, you can then utilize that down payment for other investment opportunities.

this touches on something the author sorta hinted at, mortgage as a forced investment. Some buyers/renters won't view the down payment as an investment opportunity if they go the path of renting, they decide to rent and suddenly theyve got a new car loan and all new furniture or whatever, and that down payment is gone, instead of compounding year over year in an attempt to make renting a financial advantage

you can usually napkin math investing the down payment and it makes more financial sense to rent, but from a human perspective its just not gonna happen like that for so many people. they are gonna mess with that money instead.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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The argument the author makes about the returns in stocks being higher than returns in real estate does not really hold when taking leverage into account. In my country, buying a home is the only way to get cheap debt for the vast majority of people.

> does not really hold when taking leverage into account. Detailed analyses exist, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4H9LL7A-nQ .

Ben is fantastic.

As Ben notes the tax advantaged status of primary homes has more capacity than most tax sheltered alternatives.

But a lot of this depends upon income.

This reminds me, I need to buy more DFA. :)

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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> The Flexibility of Renting Is Undervalued And the stability of buying is undervalued. It's telling that this article frames housing as an investment vehicle rather than as a basic necessity. And it's not just a necessity because it shelters you from the elements and gives you storage for your stuff; it anchors you in a neighborhood and allows you to begin forming a local community. The flexibility of renting that t…

As a renter who has recently been given notice that I must vacate my apartment in 90 days, you'd think I'd agree with you.

However, I think this depends highly on the personality of the renter/owner, and that is the point this article misses.

If someone is, like myself, comfortable with risks, I'm ok with changing neighbors, locations, and I've lived on 3 different continents and 9 cities?

If you're someone who craves stability, then this isn't for you, and you're proably better off buying a house.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#57
All else being equal, a house is too personal a thing for me to rent. It would be like renting a complete set of clothes.

I don’t want to be a real estate developer writ large, but I do want to develop my own space and optimize it for my family as it grows and changes over time.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#58
This is just propaganda to push people to cope and be part of a renter class that gets screwed over by a homeowner class.

No, don't be emotional, don't buy your own place and have stability. Own nothing and be happy! Let the corporations own everything and have "flexibility (TM)"

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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post #46

As someone who's both renting and has bought (renting my main flat and bought a summer flat), I think I prefer buying. I'm always living in fear of being told I have to leave, and the flexibility is overrated because everyone I've talked to tends to just like where they happened to live. Everyone generally finds the positives of their current area to be the positives they really like, and the negatives manageable. Th…

I can say I'm very much on the other side now after owning (and unfortunately still owning) a townhome that I used to love living in but now can't seem to get rid of in Seattle while I rent across the country. I moved for work and really wish I had been renting since I do not want the hassle of being a landlord, but Seattle townhome sales have slowed to a crawl as the city never really recovered after covid.

If you get unlucky with no reason to still be in a particular city and that city starts a downward swing, there's no gaurantee it ever comes back and you're stuck taking care of something that you might never be able to sell for anything but a loss.

I will likely stay a renter and keep that flexibility in my new city for a long time after this experience.

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