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Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by koakuma-chan »

vbezhenar wrote: post #47
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good advice. Losing a car is much less worse than personal injury or worse. Everybody's a toughguy until a methhead who can't feel pain stabs you 15 times. Should the police crack down? Sure, but they aren't magicians, crime isn't gonna magically dissolve tomorrow. In the mean time, keep yourself safe by not inviting harm.

I'm living in a third-world country and I think this is madness. It's unimaginable here, to be afraid of "methheads" so much and giving up on your own property. I never saw "methhead" in my life, but I sure would do my best to protect my valuable property. May be I need to work more to buy a car, compared to average Canadian, I don't know.

Yeah Canadian government is crazy. They made drugs legal, and they also let criminals go after they get caught.

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by bluefirebrand »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #38
GenerWork wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought this was made up nonsense, but for those who are thinking the same thing as me, a Toronto police officer really recommended doing exactly this [0]. [0] https://globalnews.ca/news/10359055/leave-car-keys-the-front...

It's good advice. Losing a car is much less worse than personal injury or worse. Everybody's a toughguy until a methhead who can't feel pain stabs you 15 times. Should the police crack down? Sure, but they aren't magicians, crime isn't gonna magically dissolve tomorrow. In the mean time, keep yourself safe by not inviting harm.

If the culture was "if a methhead tries to stab you, you can and should use any force necessary to stop them" that might be different

But no, the culture in Canada is "Check your privilege and let the poor methhead stab you"

No joke, people in Canada genuinely do not think they can or should use force to protect themselves from dangerous threats

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by zdragnar »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #49
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good advice. Losing a car is much less worse than personal injury or worse. Everybody's a toughguy until a methhead who can't feel pain stabs you 15 times. Should the police crack down? Sure, but they aren't magicians, crime isn't gonna magically dissolve tomorrow. In the mean time, keep yourself safe by not inviting harm.

Yeah and you can probably get insurance against theft right?

It becomes unaffordable pretty quickly for a lot of people when such theft becomes endemic.

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by Y-bar »

diggan wrote: post #23
renewiltord wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s important to follow due process. We need more checks and balances, not fewer. Ideally, any accusations like this should first go through a careful examination by a jury of one’s peers rather than just being posted willy nilly. We need to follow the process. And the process should be extensive. This is a problem of not enough process. Ideally, we could have more.

> Ideally, any accusations like this should first go through a careful examination by a jury of one’s peers rather than just being posted willy nilly. Does Norway even have juries? At least in Sweden we don't have any juries in court (and the two countries tend to be more similar than not), so while the overall comment sounds fitting (and I agree), some details seem to miss the detail of what country this is about :)

Both Norway and Sweden have Lay Judges in the lower courts (which is little more than voluntary juries):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lay_judge

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by mindslight »

beauzero wrote: post #37
dmix wrote: post #32

I used to believe strongly in financial sanctions over war but I'm becoming more skeptical. Markets and industry are a very hard thing to constrain at a global scale. To do it effectively you basically encourage a giant financial surveillance state and need put huge pressure on partner countries - who often don't even implement it meaningfully. You make business harder for everyone and create lucrative black market o…

The only other options are psychological or kinetic.

Why not tariffs? Basically the continuous version of discrete sanctions, that wouldn't encourage as much routing around. Tax Russian oil/gas at the max point in the Laffer (-esque) curve, with all the revenue flowing as direct aid to Ukraine.

(I know 'tariff' has become a dirty word these days to due the obvious abuse, but I swear I'm making this comment in good faith)

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by potato3732842 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #11

This is how we will lose this war. 'Everyone knows it is fake', probably the authorities too. But dealing with it in modern bureaucracy will take years, by which time another fake insurer is up and running.

A big part of the problem here is that ships and trips that don't by the numbers benefit from buying insurance are being forced to so there's a whole ecosystem of various shades of sketchy insurance insuring all sorts of mundane things and so sketchy insurance is a poor heuristic for "they might be up to no good, it's worth looking into them".

There's an artificially oversized haystack the needles are hiding in.

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by onpointed »

dmix wrote: post #32

I used to believe strongly in financial sanctions over war but I'm becoming more skeptical. Markets and industry are a very hard thing to constrain at a global scale. To do it effectively you basically encourage a giant financial surveillance state and need put huge pressure on partner countries - who often don't even implement it meaningfully. You make business harder for everyone and create lucrative black market o…

Or encourage buying from alternative hydrocarbon suppliers, like Canada, Australia and the U.S.

Re: Ships are sailing with fake insurance from the Norwegian Ro Marine

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Post by potato3732842 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #50
andix wrote: post #29

It’s crazy how modern and complex company structures became impossible to govern. There are so many cases in which criminals just open a ton of new companies, to overload the authorities. Until the authorities shut something down, they moved on three times already.

Only because punishment isn't harsh and quick enough for the initial offenders. The state fell short on that, and hence created an arbitrage opportunity. With all the broadband communications and high definition video and audio, it should have been trivial to prove the fraud and disincentivize committing it by sufficiently punishing it.

>The state fell short on that, and hence created an arbitrage opportunity

The state fell short on that because everyone hates violence so there isn't the political will to deploy it at the drop of a hat multiplied by everyone's pet issues.

The state "technically could" do a lot of stuff but it doesn't because doing even a small subset of those things more than it does would destabilize it.

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