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South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Sure. But if you're just here on a work trip, why would you want to ever come back?

They may come to see it more like a mercenary does. Some may be jailed, hurt, tortured in Central America, etc but if the pay is high enough it is worth the risks. If they offer high enough more than they can get in South Korea, people will come.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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post #45

> He said that some of the detained workers had illegally crossed the U.S. border, while others had entered the country legally but had expired visas or had entered on a visa waiver that prohibited them from working. How many of the 300+ South Korean workers does this describe?

All of them. You can watch the entire press conference at https://www.youtube.com/live/AD7n_nSOorU

Ah, thank you - I saw your other comment elsewhere with a link to this, I appreciate that and the quotes you pulled out of it.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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post #36
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

> jail without functioning toilets.

This claim isn’t in the article. Articles that do mention the detention site mention one with a medical center and a library

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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I’ve been confused by reading the articles and comments on this matter. Are they in the country illegally ? Regardless I am glad the workers get to go home. If it is illegal I’d imagine the company should be at fault.

It seems to me Hyundai is at fault here, or they just outright organized this.

Koreans can come to US without visa, but that visa doesn’t allow you to work. That means no hands on work at the site. Considering the raids happening at the factory itself, I would really be surprised if they are only there to receive training by their US counterparts, which seems pretty unlikely.

As immigrants, our visa status has been tracked by day one, and constantly validated. It boggles my mind why Hyundai didn’t just pay to apply for H2B visa, to invite those workers to come here legally. Yeah it takes time and money but it is the correct thing to do

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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post #44

In practice, Korean staff are essential for the initial setup of Korean companies’ factories. But even though Korea has an FTA with the US, it’s not allocated short-term work visa quotas (unlike Singapore, Chile, or Australia). For various political reasons, Korean firms have instead relied on ESTA short-term visas, and the US had tacitly allowed it. This time, however, a Republican filed a complaint saying these com…

Yeah, one or two sneaky Koreans to help the cultural divide sounds plausibly okay, but an entire factory of undocumented workers? Seems hard to wash this one any way but clean.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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It would be impossible, a lot of the expertise that these people have would take years to train another person to have.

So your solution is to shut our eyes and let undocumented foreigners take the jobs that a well-educated American society could fulfill?

This is one of those weird edge cases that comes from us having an incoherent immigration policy.

We know that fitting out and commissioning these kinds of factories takes foreign workers who have the subject matter expertise on how the parent company does it. But we have a history of not providing proper work visas for it and looking the other way.

On the other hand, if you don't let these people in, it's not clear how Hyundai gets a functional battery factory that's built like their other ones.

The old policy of looking the other way was broken. But suddenly "fixing it" with enforcement isn't too smart, either.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

#57
I used to build factories. We'd design and install the robots and machines of the assembly line. Final install took months. We never got work visas in those countries. We'd just say we were there for engineering meetings. Which we did have, but mainly we were installing, calibrating, and testing the machines we designed. I wonder if it's something like that. We did however hire local subcontractor labor for the generic work. If we sent 300 Americans over I suspect it might have set off some alarms.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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post #44

In practice, Korean staff are essential for the initial setup of Korean companies’ factories. But even though Korea has an FTA with the US, it’s not allocated short-term work visa quotas (unlike Singapore, Chile, or Australia). For various political reasons, Korean firms have instead relied on ESTA short-term visas, and the US had tacitly allowed it. This time, however, a Republican filed a complaint saying these com…

I'm completely baffled by that. It would be preferable for the ICE to turn a blind eye to a huge corporation that is breaking the law in a large and systemic manner? It sounds like Hyundai has been dealing with the us in bad faith. Or the standing practice has been to choose not to enforce the law based on political considerations. That sounds awfully like end stage capitalism to me...

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

Someone trying to be diplomatic might, for example, allow them a window of time within which to apply to extend their visas.

They never had valid work visas in the first place.
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