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Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#53
post #33

Everything runs on a π if you quantize it enough! I'm curious about the applications though. Do people randomly buy 4xRPi5s that they can now dedicate to running LLMs?

I have clusters of over a thousand raspberry pi’s that have generally 75% of their compute and 80% of their memory that is completely unused.

Good ol' Amdahl in action.

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#54
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to hook my development tools into a fully-local LLM. The question is context window and cost. If the context window isn't big enough, it won't be helpful for me. I'm not gonna drop $500 on RPis unless I know it'll be worth the money. I could try getting my employer to pay for it, but I'll probably have a much easier time convincing them to pay for Claude or whatever.

> I'd love to hook my development tools into a fully-local LLM. Karpathy said in his recent talk, on the topic of AI developer-assistants: don't bother with less capable models. So ... using an rpi is probably not what you want.

I’m having a lot of fun using less capable versions of models on my local PC, integrated as a code assistant. There still is real value there, but especially room for improvements. I envision us all running specialized lightweight LLMs locally/on-device at some point.

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#55

Everything runs on a π if you quantize it enough! I'm curious about the applications though. Do people randomly buy 4xRPi5s that they can now dedicate to running LLMs?

I think it serves a good test bed to test methods and models. We'll see if someday they can reduce it to 3... 2... 1 Pi5's that can match performance.

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#56
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to hook my development tools into a fully-local LLM. The question is context window and cost. If the context window isn't big enough, it won't be helpful for me. I'm not gonna drop $500 on RPis unless I know it'll be worth the money. I could try getting my employer to pay for it, but I'll probably have a much easier time convincing them to pay for Claude or whatever.

> I'd love to hook my development tools into a fully-local LLM. Karpathy said in his recent talk, on the topic of AI developer-assistants: don't bother with less capable models. So ... using an rpi is probably not what you want.

It's a tough thing, I'm a solo dev supporting ~all at high quality. I cannot imagine using anything other than $X[1] at the leading edge. Why not have the very best?

Karpathy elides he is an individual. We expect to find a distribution of individuals, such that a nontrivial # of them are fine with 5-10% off the leading edge performance. Why? At least for free as in beer. At most, concerns about connectivity, IP rights, and so on.

[1] gpt-5 finally dethroned sonnet after 7 months

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#57
post #3

This is really impressive. If we can get this down to a single Raspberry Pi, then we have crazy embedded toys and tools. Locally, at the edge, with no internet connection. Kids will be growing up with toys that talk to them and remember their stories. We're living in the sci-fi future. This was unthinkable ten years ago.

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What about a kid who lives in an urban area without parks?

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#58

Everything runs on a π if you quantize it enough! I'm curious about the applications though. Do people randomly buy 4xRPi5s that they can now dedicate to running LLMs?

I'd love to hook my development tools into a fully-local LLM. The question is context window and cost. If the context window isn't big enough, it won't be helpful for me. I'm not gonna drop $500 on RPis unless I know it'll be worth the money. I could try getting my employer to pay for it, but I'll probably have a much easier time convincing them to pay for Claude or whatever.

Model intelligence should be part of your equation as well, unless you love loads and loads of hidden technical debt and context-eating, unnecessarily complex abstractions

Re: Qwen3 30B A3B Hits 13 token/s on 4xRaspberry Pi 5

#59
post #3

This is really impressive. If we can get this down to a single Raspberry Pi, then we have crazy embedded toys and tools. Locally, at the edge, with no internet connection. Kids will be growing up with toys that talk to them and remember their stories. We're living in the sci-fi future. This was unthinkable ten years ago.

An LLM in my kids‘ toys only over my cold, dead body. This can and will go very very wrong.
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