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A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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Re: A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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To suggest the right wing media ecosystem is "just talking to people on the Internet" is hilariously divorced from reality. https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential...

That just seems like an influence campaign. I expect every country to try to meddle in each other's politics, for their own gain. Also Tim Pool? Rubin? Those are small fries. Putin couldn't afford Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro?

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at this point i'm not mad the democrats are doing propaganda i'm just offended at how shit they are at it. The republicans brainwashed half the country and overturned the constitution with 4 podcast bros and a dream and the democrats are busy trying to kick their most popular members out of the party.

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I know one person in this group, and basically the article is 100% bullshit... they are quite open (have even public videos mentioning what they do, who they work for), the can talk about ANY subject (israel, US politics, even criticizing the very democrat party) etc

Re: A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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The problem is, they don't like normal people. They don't trust them or think their opinions have value, and they've made that clear over the last several years. It took a while, but the normal people have finally started to get it. It wasn't always that way. Democrats like Bill Clinton used to be able to go out and talk to normal people and make them feel like he liked them and sympathized with them. I remember when…

> There's not a single prominent Democrat whom normal people look at and feel like he or she cares about them. What about Bernie, AOC, Zohran? I think there are a few but probably none of the establishment ones.

I almost mentioned Bernie, but his appeal seems limited to people who are very interested in politics and socialism. I'm not sure I'd classify them as "normal." Openly calling himself a socialist is always going to make that a hard sell with normal Americans outside certain groups. Normal Americans don't mind a fair bit of socialism (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, farm subsidies, etc.), but they don't like calling it that.

AOC? Normal people think she's nuts because she's been propped up as "far-left" to make the rest of the party look moderate, but it's not working as well as it used to.

Mamdani hasn't been prominent long enough to say, but his biggest surge in votes came from high turnout among well-off progressive whites, the group that's most out-of-touch with normal people. He also got the youth vote, which is famously fickle. The working-class and poor vote went to Cuomo, so I'd say Mamdani has some work to do to reach "normal people" outside some NYC enclaves. He also has the same limitation Bernie has of labeling himself a socialist.

Re: A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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This seems like yet another a hilariously disastrous misstep on the part of the Democrats, dark money and restricted speech and red tape. Have they considered just, you know, talking to people on the internet? The way normal humans do? The way Trump has done with such wildly incredible success?

To put this as politely as possible, none of the normal (adult) humans I know talk like Trump.

In his first campaign especially, he talked exactly like a normal Republican voter. They say shit like "why don't they just build a wall?" (or they might suggest planting minefields along the border, super-common suggestion from R voters) and hate trade with China (so does a good chunk of the left... neoliberalism was never popular, "both sides" of politicians just agreed on it, until Trump) and want to lock up all the democrats and simply round up and deport all "the illegals" by any means necessary. His stuff he's doing with the military, sending them in to cities? They love that shit, they've wanted it to happen for years, they don't understand the legality, that they have hilariously wrong understandings of what cities are like due to propaganda and their own lack of experience with them, any of that, they just want "scumbags" beat up and thrown in vans. Truly, talk to them, I'm not exaggerating.

That's how he won, he exploited the gap between Republican voters and Republican politicians. As soon as I heard him sounding exactly like your average R voter chattin' at a diner, I knew he was dangerous and we were in for a wild ride.

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> There's not a single prominent Democrat whom normal people look at and feel like he or she cares about them. What about Bernie, AOC, Zohran? I think there are a few but probably none of the establishment ones.

Yes what a great strategy to embrace the failed ideas of socialism! You realize support among hispanics will drop to almost zero with that strategy because they know from experience in Latin and South America that such crazy ideas bring nothing but misery to everyone.

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Re: A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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> There's not a single prominent Democrat whom normal people look at and feel like he or she cares about them. What about Bernie, AOC, Zohran? I think there are a few but probably none of the establishment ones.

I almost mentioned Bernie, but his appeal seems limited to people who are very interested in politics and socialism. I'm not sure I'd classify them as "normal." Openly calling himself a socialist is always going to make that a hard sell with normal Americans outside certain groups. Normal Americans don't mind a fair bit of socialism (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, farm subsidies, etc.), but they don't like call…

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Re: A dark money group is funding high-profile Democratic influencers

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at this point i'm not mad the democrats are doing propaganda i'm just offended at how shit they are at it. The republicans brainwashed half the country and overturned the constitution with 4 podcast bros and a dream and the democrats are busy trying to kick their most popular members out of the party.

They answer is that they're both funded by and held hostage by entrenched corporate interests. The Democrats in safe blue states are allowed to say and propose whatever lofty reforms they'd like (more fuel for the fire), but when it comes time to vote on a bill, the "moderates" in purple states fall in line to kill it and/or add enough loopholes and pork that the reforms end up pretty hollow. They're also fully supported when they ham up the identity politics and other divisive topics that encourage the plebs to fight one another.

The voting public gets tired of the squabbling and seeing the constructive type of reform fail, and switches its attention to the other professional party. The "reforms" then put forth by Republicans are all about getting rid of restrictions on corporate interests, appealing to a fallacy that restrictions on corpos are akin to restrictions on individuals (from the same vein as Steinbeck's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"). When the Republicans get the green light, it's then full speed ahead for sidelining the US government in favor of unaccountable corporate power - as we've seen demonstrated in stark relief with Trump.

People will then slowly realize they've been had, and support for Democrats will grow. But any attempt to rebuild what got destroyed then fails (the original dynamic), and the cycle repeats.

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