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I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by exolymph »

tkel wrote: post #19
numa7numa7 wrote: post #16

> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.

And Thomas Jefferson had children with his slave.

Point being? Are you insinuating that Usha Vance is treated equivalent to a chattel slave? That seems... incorrect.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by 000ooo000 »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #37
000ooo000 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying failure to prevent crime is the criminals' fault.

It is saying that crime is the criminals fault.

OP said failure to prevent fascism is the Democrats' fault. The reply said fascism is fascists' fault. Two different things. Where exactly is the insight in 'fascism is the fascists' fault'?

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by smitty1e »

jfengel wrote: post #48
smitty1e wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then there was a bloody civil war to eliminate chattel slavery. These days we have more sophisticated control mechanisms involving government regulations.

Do we? We seem to be busily dismantling that, along with the apparatus of enforcing it.

Are we? I would enjoy the privilege of walking away from Social Security like the misguided idea it is.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by jfengel »

smitty1e wrote: post #53
jfengel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we? We seem to be busily dismantling that, along with the apparatus of enforcing it.

Are we? I would enjoy the privilege of walking away from Social Security like the misguided idea it is.

OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements. Thus far we haven't done much to social security (other than firing the help desks, which doesn't really cut into the actual cost.)

Walking away from it would be, uh, problematic. Especially for the demographic who voted most enthusiastically for this administration. Which might make for some poetic justice, but a lot of others would also find themselves in dire straits.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by numa7numa7 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #39
numa7numa7 wrote: post #16

> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.

> Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? What's your point? One GOP married a brown-skinned person, so they all get a pass?

My point is that I don't think the right wants a "white Christian ethnostate".

This is the equivalent of a person on the right calling all liberals "coastal elites that support child molestation"

It's a tribal trait to demonize the "other".

And I say that being mostly a leftist.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by smitty1e »

jfengel wrote: post #54
smitty1e wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we? I would enjoy the privilege of walking away from Social Security like the misguided idea it is.

OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements. Thus far we haven't done much to social security (other than firing the help desks, which doesn't really cut into the actual cost.) Walking away from it would be, uh, problematic. Especially for the demographic who voted most enthusiastically for this administration. Which might make for some poetic justice, but a lot of others would also find themselv…

> OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements.

One can clearly offer these differentiations, but it's all so much Utopian Progressivism that has simply not withstood the test of time, if we're being honest about the debt.

But honesty scales like Utopian Progressivism, so expect continued ignoring of the problem until the economy 'splodes and the "experts" stand around looking aghast.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by jfengel »

smitty1e wrote: post #56
jfengel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements. Thus far we haven't done much to social security (other than firing the help desks, which doesn't really cut into the actual cost.) Walking away from it would be, uh, problematic. Especially for the demographic who voted most enthusiastically for this administration. Which might make for some poetic justice, but a lot of others would also find themselv…

> OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements. One can clearly offer these differentiations, but it's all so much Utopian Progressivism that has simply not withstood the test of time, if we're being honest about the debt. But honesty scales like Utopian Progressivism, so expect continued ignoring of the problem until the economy 'splodes and the "experts" stand around looking aghast.

Er, as far as I can tell, the debt explosion is accelerating, and I'm pretty sure that those responsible right now are not Utopian Progressives.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by smitty1e »

jfengel wrote: post #57
smitty1e wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OP was referring to regulations rather than debt or entitlements. One can clearly offer these differentiations, but it's all so much Utopian Progressivism that has simply not withstood the test of time, if we're being honest about the debt. But honesty scales like Utopian Progressivism, so expect continued ignoring of the problem until the economy 'splodes and the "experts" stand around looking aghast.

Er, as far as I can tell, the debt explosion is accelerating, and I'm pretty sure that those responsible right now are not Utopian Progressives.

"right now" is working hard here.

But this gets at why precedent is such a cautionary thing.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by jacquesm »

smitty1e wrote: post #53
jfengel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we? We seem to be busily dismantling that, along with the apparatus of enforcing it.

Are we? I would enjoy the privilege of walking away from Social Security like the misguided idea it is.

Social security is a misguided idea right up to the point that you need it.
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