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Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by akimbostrawman »

dijit wrote: post #46
jamesnorden wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also been using Linux for years (Arch, btw) and never had an update break my install or cause issues, I've only had to fix the Linux bootloader when Windows overwrote it after a major update, multiple times...

I've had plenty of issues with Arch updates. In fact; I have a laptop right now that hasn't received updates because there's a shared object that has been removed that `yay` depends on. (this was from a long time ago). I generally think that updates of the mainstream distro's like Debian will definitely *NOT* brick your system in almost any circumstance, and arch tends to be somewhat solid, but every once in a while…

AUR issues are not arch issues

"AUR packages are user-produced content. These PKGBUILDs are completely unofficial and have not been thoroughly vetted. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk."

Usually just rebuilding a AUR package will fix most issues.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

#52

Post by mschuster91 »

russfink wrote: post #24
Zr01 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't install updates, unless and until they've been proven not to break things. I miss the old days when software was expected to work out of the box and updates, on the rare occasions when they appeared, were actually useful.

I hope you are speaking with tongue in cheek. Security is the main reason to keep current with updates. They address various “CVE” reports and go beyond to patch things not reported by CVEs.

> Security is the main reason to keep current with updates.

It shouldn't be that way though. Especially the billion dollar corporations should not be excused for shipping insecure software - the sad reality though is that Microsoft seems to have lost most of its QA team and what remains of its dev team gets shifted to developing adware for that sweet sweet "recurring revenue" nectar. Apple doesn't have that problem at least, but their management also has massive problems, prioritizing shiny new gadgets over fixing the tons of bugs people have.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

#53

Post by dijit »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had plenty of issues with Arch updates. In fact; I have a laptop right now that hasn't received updates because there's a shared object that has been removed that `yay` depends on. (this was from a long time ago). I generally think that updates of the mainstream distro's like Debian will definitely *NOT* brick your system in almost any circumstance, and arch tends to be somewhat solid, but every once in a while…

AUR issues are not arch issues "AUR packages are user-produced content. These PKGBUILDs are completely unofficial and have not been thoroughly vetted. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk." Usually just rebuilding a AUR package will fix most issues.

I would say it's fair, but then it leads to an interesting problem that could happen.

Build a tiny core, ask the community to extend: never be liable for any issue because important packages that are essentially required aren't part of the core and thus any criticism is invalid.

Not saying that's happening here, but it could happen by this definition.

But, ok, there are more issues anyway, for example it's pretty common that you have to update archlinux-keychain before an upgrade can succeed because the signing keys have rotated and someone has already packaged an update to something with the new key. That is definitely base.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

#54

Post by p_ing »

hosteur wrote: post #22
jacquesm wrote: post #3

I wonder what the commercial effect is of such a thing on MS. Because assuming that the SSDs are unrecoverable it might lead to sales of new machines or new Windows licenses. There is a fair chance that bugs like these end up making good money, the numbers are large enough that even a small fraction of the users being affected can translate into a serious windfall.

They should be held liable if their software bricks hardware.

Can you get Linus Bucks by replacing your efivars with Doom?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dspillett »

crest wrote: post #10
RedShift1 wrote: post #2

Is it actually killing the SSD (SSD can no longer be used) or just corrupting the data on the SSD? It's hard to make out from all the comments and news articles.

"Just" corrupting your filesystem...

Relative seriousness, both drive damage and filesystem damage are both bad but by slightly different degrees.

There is more chance of being able to fix data corruption, than being able to fix a bricked drive or one with unbearable blocks.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

#56

Post by vel0city »

jamesnorden wrote: post #32
majkinetor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, I used various Linux distros for years and the update problems happen there all the time, I think even more TBH, and require substantial technical expertise to fix them. IMO, the only good way is "if it works, don't fix it", which means, no updates. People are seriously overhyping updates. I stopped updating all the stuff - OSes, smart locks, android apps, TVs, BP monitors - I honestly had multiple update proble…

I've also been using Linux for years (Arch, btw) and never had an update break my install or cause issues, I've only had to fix the Linux bootloader when Windows overwrote it after a major update, multiple times...

I've been using Linux for decades and have had many times of installing updates breaking a machine to the point where I'd rather just reimage than try and fix the pile of issues. So many times of installing updates and now all the graphics don't work, now audio is broken, where did my network adapters go, etc. To the point that now most Linux things I touch, when I want to update I just deploy a fresh image rather than actually install updates. I can't really trust the state of the machine after a year of quietly installing updates.

A line item on my agenda today is actually helping a team figure out why when they do a release upgrade on their pet Ubuntu VM practically everything they care about on the box breaks and helping them plan out strategies to un-pet these workloads.

I've had a good share of Windows updates making a mess of things, don't get me wrong. But I've had plenty of bad updates in Linux over the years.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by [deleted] »

russfink wrote: post #24
Zr01 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't install updates, unless and until they've been proven not to break things. I miss the old days when software was expected to work out of the box and updates, on the rare occasions when they appeared, were actually useful.

I hope you are speaking with tongue in cheek. Security is the main reason to keep current with updates. They address various “CVE” reports and go beyond to patch things not reported by CVEs.

[deleted]

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by hosteur »

p_ing wrote: post #54
hosteur wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should be held liable if their software bricks hardware.

Can you get Linus Bucks by replacing your efivars with Doom?

You seem to be implying that Linus Thorvalds should also be liable for damage caused by Linux kernel.

I don't think the analogy is good. You might be better off replacing Linus with Apple and Linux with macOS. In that case, I would definitely think Apple should be held liable if an update to macOS bricks some hardware in a Mac.

But with Linux, it is different: You do not have a business relationship with Linus.

Sure, if you bought your Linux distribution from, say Red Hat, and it bricks your server, I think you might have a good case against Red Hat(IBM).

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

#59

Post by majkinetor »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had plenty of issues with Arch updates. In fact; I have a laptop right now that hasn't received updates because there's a shared object that has been removed that `yay` depends on. (this was from a long time ago). I generally think that updates of the mainstream distro's like Debian will definitely *NOT* brick your system in almost any circumstance, and arch tends to be somewhat solid, but every once in a while…

AUR issues are not arch issues "AUR packages are user-produced content. These PKGBUILDs are completely unofficial and have not been thoroughly vetted. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk." Usually just rebuilding a AUR package will fix most issues.

Yeah, arch is basically unusable without AUR, so that is semantic difference without grounding in reality. Many people use Arch becuase of its package manager.
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