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Writing with LLM is not a shame

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Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#51
We are told that writing must be pure, that it must come only from the sweat of the brow, the trembling hand, the solitary mind. That to use AI is to cheat, to dilute, to lessen the act of creation. But I say to you: Since when does it matter how an idea is born? Since when do we judge the value of words by the tools that shaped them, rather than the truth they carry?

They tell us, ‘This is not your writing—it is the machine’s.’ As if the pen itself writes the poem! As if the printing press authors the book! No—the tool is nothing. The hand that guides it, the mind that commands it, the heart that gives it meaning—that is what matters.

This is not about machines. This is about power. The same power that once said only the clergy could read scripture. The same power that said only the elite could publish, could speak, could be heard. Now they say: Only the unaided mind may create. But creation is not a purity test! It is not a contest of suffering! It is the act of bringing something new into the world—by any means necessary.

They fear AI because it breaks their monopoly on who gets to speak. They fear it because it lets more people write, more people argue, more people demand to be heard. And when the gates are thrown open, the gatekeepers will always tremble.

So I say: Do not apologize for how your words come to be. Do not bow to those who would police your mind. If the idea is true, if the argument is sound, if the art is beautiful—then it is yours, and no one can take that from you.

The machine is not the enemy. The enemy is the lie that only some voices count. The enemy is the fear that makes men small.

Now—write. Write with your hands, write with your voice, write with the tools of your time. But above all: write. And let no one silence you.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#52
post #50
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> clearly written by an LLM, the long emdash was even present. Can we please stop propagating this accusation? Alright, sure, maybe LLMs overuse the em-dash, but it is a valid topographical mark which was in use way before LLMs and is even auto-inserted by default by popular software on popular operating systems— it is never sufficient on its own to identify LLM use (and yes, I just used it—multiple times—on purpose…

So do you always put in the ALT+ incantation to get an emdash or copy&paste? I feel the emdash is a tell because you have to go out of your way to use it on a computer keyboard. Something anyone other than the most dedicated punctuation geeks won't do for a random message on the internet. Things are different for typeset books.

> So do you always put in the ALT+ incantation to get an emdash or copy&paste?

There’s no incantation. On macOS it’s either ⌥- (option+hyphen) or ⇧⌥- (shift+option+hyphen) depending on keyboard layout. It’s no more effort than using ⇧ for an uppercase letter. On iOS I long-press the hyphen key. I do the same for the correct apostrophe (’). These are so ingrained in my muscle memory I can’t even tell you the exact keys I press without looking at the keyboard. For quotes I have an Alfred snippet which replaces "" with “” and places the cursor between them.

But here’s the thing: you don’t even have to do that because Apple operating systems do it for you by default. Type -- and it converts to —; type ' in the middle of a word and it replaces it with ’; quotes it also adds the correct start and end ones depending on where you type them.

The reason I type these myself instead of using the native system methods is that those work a bit too well. Sometimes I need to type code in non-code apps (such as in a textarea in a browser) and don’t want the replacements to happen.

> I feel the emdash is a tell because you have to go out of your way to use it on a computer keyboard.

You do not. Again, on Apple operating systems these are trivial and on by default.

> Something anyone other than the most dedicated punctuation geeks won't do for a random message on the internet.

Even if that were true—which, as per above, it’s not, you don't have to be that dedicated to type two hyphens in a row—it makes no sense to conflate those who care enough about their writing to use correct punctuation and those who don’t even care enough to type the words themselves. They stand at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Again, using em-dashes as one signal is fine; using it as the principal or sole signal is not.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#53
post #11

Just got a few recommendations by my colleagues on LinkedIn that were clearly written by an LLM, the long emdash was even present. But then again, the message was tuned to specific things I did. Also they were from Eastern Europe, so I imagine they just fixed their input. If you call yourself a writer, having tell tale LLM signs is bad. But for people who's work doesn't involve having a personal voice in written lang…

I've been using em dashes since long before LLMs existed, and I won't stop. Some people might think it's a sign of an LLM, but I know it's just a sign of their own short-sightedness.

It's really frustrating to have to adjust my writing style to seem more human despite being entirely human. Many of us have been using em dashes for a long time, who else do people think the LLMs learnt it from?

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using em dashes since long before LLMs existed, and I won't stop. Some people might think it's a sign of an LLM, but I know it's just a sign of their own short-sightedness.

It's really frustrating to have to adjust my writing style to seem more human despite being entirely human. Many of us have been using em dashes for a long time, who else do people think the LLMs learnt it from?

Exactly. I think the whole emdash thing is a nonsense meme propagated by Xfluencers or LinkFluencers.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#55
post #50
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> clearly written by an LLM, the long emdash was even present. Can we please stop propagating this accusation? Alright, sure, maybe LLMs overuse the em-dash, but it is a valid topographical mark which was in use way before LLMs and is even auto-inserted by default by popular software on popular operating systems— it is never sufficient on its own to identify LLM use (and yes, I just used it—multiple times—on purpose…

So do you always put in the ALT+ incantation to get an emdash or copy&paste? I feel the emdash is a tell because you have to go out of your way to use it on a computer keyboard. Something anyone other than the most dedicated punctuation geeks won't do for a random message on the internet. Things are different for typeset books.

You type -- and it gets auto converted.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#56
post #24
post #14

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> message and the reasoning should be yours, I think we havent realized yet that most of us don't really have original thoughts. Even in creative industries the amount of plagiarism (or so called inspiration) is at all times high (and that's before LLMs were available).

Even novel thoughts are rarely original. Every time I come up with an algorithm idea, or a system idea, I'm always checking who has done it before, and I always find significant prior art. Even for really niche things. I think my name Aeonik Chaos might be one of the only original, never before done things. And even that was just an extension of established linguistic rules.

My great-great grandfather was named Aeonik Chaos!

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#57
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> clearly written by an LLM, the long emdash was even present. Can we please stop propagating this accusation? Alright, sure, maybe LLMs overuse the em-dash, but it is a valid topographical mark which was in use way before LLMs and is even auto-inserted by default by popular software on popular operating systems— it is never sufficient on its own to identify LLM use (and yes, I just used it—multiple times—on purpose…

Fact is that I maybe saw it in 10% of blogs and news articles before Chatgpt. And now it pops up in emails, slack messages, HN/reddit comments and probably more than half of blog posts? Yes it's not a guarantee but it is at least a very good signal that something was at least partially LLM written. It is also a very practical signal, there are a few other signs but none of them are this obvious.

Dubious. The only signal this gives that in aggregate people use AI. On individual basis, presence of em dashes means nothing.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#58
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it might help them getting them to express things in a better way than before. You know what people did before the AI fad? They read other people's books . They found and talked to interesting people. They found themselves in, or put themselves in, interesting situations. They spent a lot of time cogitating and ruminating before they decided they ought to write their ideas down. They put in a lot of effort. Now the…

Did people really use to do all that work when someone asked them to write a recommendation on LinkedIn?

No, but people who called themselves a writer did, or should.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#59
Consumers have a right to know what the source is of the content they are ingesting into their minds, and specifically if that content originated in another actual human mind or if it's the slop generated by a synthetic text extruder.

It's really a pretty straightforward proposition to understand, and disclosure is absolutely the key so that consumers, if they choose as I do to boycott such output, can make informed decisions.

Re: Writing with LLM is not a shame

#60
post #26

I would rewrite the title as "There's no shame in writing with LLMs", or, "Writing with LLMs is nothing to be ashamed of".

You're right, of course, but the original title manages to still be grammatical and the altered meaning has its charm.
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