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Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Why should you have the right to dictate that no one is allowed to pay for their services by watching ads? You're suggesting cutting off services for the majority of the planet because you are in a financial position to pay for what you want.

Why should private corporations have unlimitied license to propagandize and intentionally psychologically manipulate the entire populace? Why should private corporations with no oversight or meaningful consequences have the unlimited and unchallenged right to market drugs to kids? Why should they be allowed to post enormous flashing billboards on our roads? Why do these corporations have more right to common public s…

I haven't arguing they have a right to any of those things. When you resort to straw manning it's generally a good time to step back and reconsider your stance.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#52

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Without advertising how does anyone get visibility into new products? You are proposing winner take all markets when you propose banning advertising.

Retailers could always highlight high value products they are offering within their storefront (without being compensated by manufacturers to do so; that would be a scam ad).

How do retailers find new products? Why would they bother highlighting new products if there is no pull demand from community awareness. You'd just pick one vendor and agree to only sell their products for better rates

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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If the "price" to load a webpage were that you run a crypto miner or give a site access to upload whatever files it feels from your computer, would you do it? Or would blocking such malware make you a free loader?

I wouldn't use the site but yes using the site and not doing that would make you a free loader.

So I presume you browse with a vulnerable webp library or something in case sites you do browse would like to use that functionality? You can't know whether they wanted to use it if your browser silently blocks their attempts.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Free loaders? You're talking about Google's reCAPTCHA using my browser to train its AI, right?

They are providing a service to the people protecting their services with recaptcha and you're solving those issues because you value what's on the other side so no I wouldn't consider that free loading.

A service that's easily defeated by automation and thus mostly devoid of value outside of training Google's AI products. I think the technical term is "false sense of security".

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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You talk about Google exploiting creators while at the same time talking about removing their income. You talk about Google as if that's their primary source of income. Most of the folks I watch on Youtube hype up the other platforms e.g. Patreon they use for income. Judging by the outro credits it looks like there are plenty of people happy to throw money at these folks via other platform as well. Clear your cookies…

It's a lot of creators only income from creating. Once you get some scale there are certainly better ways depending on your niche. Again justification for why your free loading is actually a moral act.

"a lot"

If you're small time Google won't pay out enough to make it your sole source of income so you'll probably seek out other ways of monetizing your videos (e.g. Patreon, merch). If you're large enough you're gonna seek out more stable source of income that won't threaten to demonetize you at the drop of a hat (e.g. Patreon, merch).

Me? I think it's immoral to run 30 minute ads hyping up hate churches and 15 minute ads hawking missile launchers.

e.g.

https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/17lcv5e/...

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#56

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Retailers could always highlight high value products they are offering within their storefront (without being compensated by manufacturers to do so; that would be a scam ad).

How do retailers find new products? Why would they bother highlighting new products if there is no pull demand from community awareness. You'd just pick one vendor and agree to only sell their products for better rates

They publish contact information for vendors? They reach out to vendors through their published sales channels? Go to industry trade events or follow industry periodicals where that's the purpose?

They'd highlight new products because they believe they're good.

The solution to your last problem is to make exclusive dealing contracts always illegal and actually enforce antitrust law.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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increasing friction for ad blockers will increase ad views will increase revenue. It is pretty easy for a company whose existence depends on ads to see people that use ad blockers as leeches or freeloaders or other derogatory terms to justify making their lives more difficult. Youtube premium is around $15, and depending on people's video usage, it pays for itself

But thats even less private. If you log in, they know exactly who you are.

They likely have nearly as good an idea who you are based on what you watch from which IP address(es).

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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increasing friction for ad blockers will increase ad views will increase revenue. It is pretty easy for a company whose existence depends on ads to see people that use ad blockers as leeches or freeloaders or other derogatory terms to justify making their lives more difficult. Youtube premium is around $15, and depending on people's video usage, it pays for itself

This is the reflex/instinct approach though. Sure, they increase friction for people with adblock, and then 5 minutes later, uBlock Origin does an update to undo Youtube's friction, and we're back to square one. No gain for anyone, no thought of what happens long term, just busywork. I'll pay for Youtube Premium the day they bring back a pre-2015-ish Youtube web layout, tone down the ads accordingly for those who can…

It is very likely that you are a customer that youtube would rather not have to deal with, so the feelings would be mutual

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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I wouldn't use the site but yes using the site and not doing that would make you a free loader.

So I presume you browse with a vulnerable webp library or something in case sites you do browse would like to use that functionality? You can't know whether they wanted to use it if your browser silently blocks their attempts.

Yes, that sounds exactly like what I'm suggesting and not a bad faith argument at all.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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They are providing a service to the people protecting their services with recaptcha and you're solving those issues because you value what's on the other side so no I wouldn't consider that free loading.

A service that's easily defeated by automation and thus mostly devoid of value outside of training Google's AI products. I think the technical term is "false sense of security".

I use it on a number of my forms and it works fantastically on almost all cases since most bad actors are lazy.
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