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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

I think this was 100% the intention.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#52

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

This is the only power they have left.

The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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>If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access. Well again I guess the UK never heard of VPNs, but they are trying to ban them still, it is like these pols have no clue how the internet works. They never learn these actions are like playing wack-a-mole.

VPNs are next: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn438z3ejxyo

Hah, yes 'children' stealing a 'credit card' to get a VPN to watch porn. Well stop that!

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It stopped being relevant because its content became acceptable on major social networks, beginning in late 2022.

What content in particular?

The stuff that Free Speech Absolutists like to say on twitter, judging by the date they included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon...

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

#56

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

I mean, downstream from 1 it's all as it should be. 100% of the issue is #1, no?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPNs are next: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn438z3ejxyo

I’m curious about what the plan is to differentiate between legitimate business use and personal use of any kind. Age verification obviously won’t work for self-hosted, so does age verification then get pushed to VPS providers? And at that point, so what? I’m already paying with legitimate bank details for legitimate personal use.

do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? the public at large barely understands the concept of files nowadays, if it's not app they're lost

banning selling VPN and VPN apps will solve 90% of the problem and that's enough

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

If the owner doesn't care about it and it's got such a strong network effect, what's stopping somebody from buying it and implementing the SomethingAwful monetization model, where it's free until you get banned and then $10 for every unbanning?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious about what the plan is to differentiate between legitimate business use and personal use of any kind. Age verification obviously won’t work for self-hosted, so does age verification then get pushed to VPS providers? And at that point, so what? I’m already paying with legitimate bank details for legitimate personal use.

do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? the public at large barely understands the concept of files nowadays, if it's not app they're lost banning selling VPN and VPN apps will solve 90% of the problem and that's enough

> do you think the public at large knows what VPS are

Fair point. As you say regarding files, it's easy to vastly overestimate the familiarity with computing concepts when you're writing anything in the orange bar website.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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post #39

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

UK site blocking isn't done with DNS. I think they mess with routes at the ISP level. There's not much you can do except use a VPN.

4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK.

4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

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