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Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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It's more than love - I have friends who will actively refuse to buy games on other stores, even for significantly better prices. (To be fair - I think some stores like the Epic Games store actively make playing games on them worse, e.g. I played Alan Wake 2 through Epic and the achievements notifications were massively distracting, ruining many scary and dramatic moments, and they turn themselves back on every time…

That's basically me. While Steam can always be improved (and has been), it has worked well and to me looks better than the alternatives. Additionally, I trust Valve and value it's products. So I don't mind paying more and it's also very convenient to use just Steam and not worry about anything else.

I know this is far from a hot take, but I really think people need to be more weary of what will happen with Valve once Gabe passes. No amount of profitability seems to stop people from demanding more even at the cost of longterm viability.

Imagine a world where a PE firm gets its hands on valve

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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Which is why de-monopolization of critical infrastructure such as payments is important for sovereignty.

Also which is why, I am happy to see V-pay and SEPA transfers in EU. Especially SEPA-direct transfers, allowing you to be free of CC-processing fees completely as they have been regulated to be free quite well...

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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It bears repeating - While all games delisted at MC/Visa demands were from the rape and/or incest nsfw genre (and that should've not been on Steam to begin with), it still set a dangerous precedent as the game selection criteria was ultimately subjective. Relatable, but subjective. Next time it will again be subjective, but not as clear cut, yet the precedent will already be in place.

When are they going to remove the murder genre? Including the game where you can murder a prostitute to get your payment back... it's very obscure, you might not have heard of it... it's called GTA V.

Americans seem to think murder is A-OKAY (as long as you don't murder an unborn fetus, or show a nipple while murdering).

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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post #42

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There are 3 issues being commingled within this. First, the networks have brand protection stipulations for any partner that uses the network. None of them want to be known as the porn brand. Second, porn (and other similar categories) have a different risk profile than other charges. Specifically chargeback risk goes through the roof. None of the members of the network want to deal with sales of things that spike ch…

None of this has to be about extending credit. People are trying to buy games with money they have. Why do you say credit has to be involved? They could try cash-by-mail, like Mullvad.

If you are taking electronic payments you are extending credit. The rails (currently) require it.

Cash by mail would be either the merchant extending credit to the purchaser if they allowed the game download before receipt or the purchaser extending credit if not.

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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It's a stupid situation that banks and payment processors force their ethics upon while other companies take the blame (valve in this case). They should just dommoney transfers and as long as the transfer itself is legal should not have any opinion on the parties or product involved in the transaction.

There are 3 issues being commingled within this. First, the networks have brand protection stipulations for any partner that uses the network. None of them want to be known as the porn brand. Second, porn (and other similar categories) have a different risk profile than other charges. Specifically chargeback risk goes through the roof. None of the members of the network want to deal with sales of things that spike ch…

> none of this is an ethics issue

A puritanical activist group circumvents the law/courts and successfully pressures the handful of companies that control the vast majority of transactions to remove content they find distasteful - content that is 100% legal - but this isn’t an ethics discussion?

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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Everyone I know personally still loves steam. We hate more than a few banks and strongly dislike the visa/mastercard duopoly but steam is great. Guessing the game drought is causing some news publications to reach for a story.

Steam is great at turning a blind eye to underage gambling

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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Everyone I know personally still loves steam. We hate more than a few banks and strongly dislike the visa/mastercard duopoly but steam is great. Guessing the game drought is causing some news publications to reach for a story.

I never installed, nor plan to. OS specific stores, consoles, and retrogaming already have more games than I am able to play the rest of my life. If they were like Loki in the Linux gamming efforts, I would be willing to kind of sponsor it, for Proton I already have Windows at home.

> OS specific stores

Other than my phone, I would never purchase software from an OS-specific store. Why would you ever choose to do that?

Re: Steam can't escape the fallout from its censorship controversy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When are they going to remove the murder genre? Including the game where you can murder a prostitute to get your payment back... it's very obscure, you might not have heard of it... it's called GTA V.

Americans seem to think murder is A-OKAY (as long as you don't murder an unborn fetus, or show a nipple while murdering).

Well yeah.

It's a video game, nobody actually dies.

If you show a nipple, somebody actually sees a nipple.

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