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Re: AI is different

#51
> Moreover, companies could be less willing to pay for services that their internal AIs can handle or build from scratch.

Companies have to be a bit more farsighted than this thinking. Assuming LLMs reach this peak...if say, MS says they can save money because they don't need XYZ anymore because AI can do it, XYZ can decide they don't need Office anymore because AI can do it.

There's absolutely no moat anymore. Human capital and the shear volume of code are the current moat. An all capable AI completely eliminates both.

It's a bit scary to say "what then?" How do you make money in a world where everyone can more or less do everything themselves? Perhaps like 15 Million Merits, we all just live in pods and pedal bikes all day to power the AI(s).

Re: AI is different

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a job for a very small number of people. Where will everyone else work?

Why do they have to work?

Because otherwise you'd have to convince AI-owners and select professionals to let go of their wealth to give a comfortable and fulfilling life of leisure to the unemployed.

More likely it will look like the current welfare schemes of many countries, now add mass boredom leading to unrest.

Sam Altman has expressed a preference for paying people in vouchers for using his chatbots to kill time: https://basicincomecanada.org/openais-sam-altman-has-a-new-i...

Re: AI is different

#53
post #7

In every technology wave so far, we've disrupted many existing jobs. However we've also opened up new kinds of jobs. And, because it is easier to retrain humans than build machines for those jobs, we wound up with more and better jobs. This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace human…

Carpenters, landscapers, roofers, plumbers, electricians, elderly care, nurses, cooks, servers, bakers, musicians, actors, artists...

Those jobs are probably still a couple decades plus off from displacement. some possibly never, And we will need them in higher numbers.. and perhaps it's ironic because these are some of the oldest professions.

Everything we do is in service of paying for our housing, transportation, eating food, healthcare and some fun money.

Most goes to housing, healthcare, and transportation.

Healthcare costs may come down some with advancements in AI. R&D will be cheaper. Knowledge will be cheaper and more accessible.

But what people care about, what people have always cared about, remains in professions that are as old as time and, I don't see them fully replaceable by AI just yet - enhanced, yes, but not replaced.

Imagine a world where high quality landscaping exists for the average person. And this is made possible because we'll live in a world where the equivalent of today's uber driver owns a team of gardening androids.

Or perhaps in the future everyone will work in finance. Everyone's a corporation.

Ramble ramble ramble

Re: AI is different

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's so easy to make new software and sell it using AI, 6 of those 600 people who are unemployed will have ideas that require 100 engineers each to make. They will build a prototype, get funding, and hire 99 engineers each. There are also plenty of ideas that aren't profitable with 2 salaries but is with 1. Many will be able to make those ideas happen with AI helping.

It'll be easy to make new software. I don't know if it's going to be easy to sell it. The more software AI can write, the more of a commodity software will become, and the harder the value of software will tank. It's not magic.

  The more software AI can write, the more of a commodity software will become, and the harder the value of software will tank. It's not magic.
Total size of the software industry will still increase.

Today, a car repairshop might have a need for a custom software that will make their operations 20% more efficient. But they don't have nearly enough money to hire a software engineer to build it for them. With AI, it might be worth it for an engineer to actually do it.

Plenty of little examples like that where people/businesses have custom needs for software but the value isn't high enough.

Re: AI is different

#55

> Moreover, companies could be less willing to pay for services that their internal AIs can handle or build from scratch. Companies have to be a bit more farsighted than this thinking. Assuming LLMs reach this peak...if say, MS says they can save money because they don't need XYZ anymore because AI can do it, XYZ can decide they don't need Office anymore because AI can do it. There's absolutely no moat anymore. Human…

Isn't this exactly the goals of open source software? In an ideal open source world, anything and everything is freely available, you can host and set up anything and everything on your own.

Software is now free, and all people care about is the hardware and the electricity bills.

Re: AI is different

#56
> AI systems continue to impress with their ability to replicate certain human skills. Even if imperfect, such systems were a few years ago science fiction.

In which science fiction were the dreamt up robots as bad?

Re: AI is different

#57
post #22

I don't get how post GPT-5's launch we're still getting articles where the punchline is "what if these things replace a BUNCH of humans".

LLMs are limited because we want them to do jobs that are not clearly defined / have difficult to measure progress or success metrics / are not fully solved problems (open ended) / have poor grounding in an external reality. Robotics does not suffer from those maladies. There are other hurdles, but none are intractable. I think we might see AI being much, much more effective with embodiment.

What? Robotics will have far more ambiguity and nuance to deal with than language models, and they'll have to analyze realtime audio and video to do so. Jobs are not so clearly defined as you imagine in the real world. For example, explain to me what a plumber does, precisely and how you would train a robot to do so? How do you train it to navigate ANY type of buildings internal plumbing structure and safely repair or install for?

Re: AI is different

#58

> Moreover, companies could be less willing to pay for services that their internal AIs can handle or build from scratch. Companies have to be a bit more farsighted than this thinking. Assuming LLMs reach this peak...if say, MS says they can save money because they don't need XYZ anymore because AI can do it, XYZ can decide they don't need Office anymore because AI can do it. There's absolutely no moat anymore. Human…

>> Moreover, companies could be less willing to pay for services that their internal AIs can handle or build from scratch.

> Assuming LLMs reach this peak...

  Generative AI != Artificial General Intelligence
> Human capital and the shear volume of code are the current moat. An all capable AI completely eliminates both.

I would posit that understanding is "the current moat."

Re: AI is different

#59
I'm skeptical of arguments like this. If we look at most impactful technologies since the year 2000, AI is not even in my top 3. Social networking, mobile computing, and cloud computing have all done more to alter society and daily life than has AI.

And yes, I recognize that AI has already created profound change, in that every software engineer now depends heavily on copilots, in that education faces a major integrity challenge, and in that search has been completely changed. I just don't think those changes are on the same level as the normalization of cutting-edge computers in everyone's pockets, as our personal relationships becoming increasingly online, nor as the enablement for startups to scale without having to maintain physical compute infrastructure.

To me, the treating of AI as "different" is still unsubstantiated. Could we get there? Absolutely. We just haven't yet. But some people start to talk about it almost in a way that's reminiscent of Pascal's Wager, as if the slight chance of a godly reward from producing AI means it is rational to devote our all to it. But I'm still holding my breath.

Re: AI is different

#60
post #24

AI with ability but without responsibility is not enough for dramatic socioeconomic change, I think. For now, the critical unique power of human workers is that you can hold them responsible for things. edit: ability without accountability is the catchier motto :)

Removing accountability is a feature
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