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Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by scribblemacher »

roymabookie wrote: post #2

How long would it take a noob to do this? hours? days? years?

I spent nearly an entire summer doing this, back after I graduated from High School in 2003. If you just follow the manual and enter the commands blindly, you can do it a lot faster. Instead, I took the time to look up each package I was installing, figure out what it did, why I was installing it, and so forth. Chipped away at it a few hours a week, then went through the process of install X windows, _which was the worst experience of my life_.

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by sophacles »

octotoad wrote: post #7

Hate to post a comment just to be negative, but, I seriously can't believe this has appeared on the front page of a site like HN. "Welcome to"?. LFS is so old that I would assume any self proclaimed geek/hacker would've already been aware of it. It has existed for over ten years.

A simple truth of this site is that most of the people here are young. This means, more or less axiomatically, that they haven't seen all, done all, and been jaded by it.

This means that stuff will be reposted. It means that old stuff will be presented as new. Sometimes it will even be upvoted to the front page. This is not a bug. It is how we have a continuity of community. The new folks need to be brought up to speed. It isn't bad.

I am curious if you realize you dont have to read an article that you have seen before, or about at topic you don't like, or whatever. It is ok. We won't ever know. If we find out, we won't judge you poorly.

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by sophacles »

esolyt wrote: post #48

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3171448 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1159909 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3677350 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1779665 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2336657

The newest of those is past the commenting period. That means any discussion on this can't take place there, so you are either advocating that no one else, particularly new people, has anything valid to say, or your are advocating that we should cater specifically to you.

Since neither of these make a lick of sense, what value do you think you are adding?

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by kaolinite »

cakeface wrote: post #47
kaolinite wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I right in saying that Arch still doesn't have package signing by default? I know they've been working on adding it. Until it has that it can't really be used imo.

Here is a good post about Arch package signing from the lead pacman dev http://www.toofishes.net/blog/real-story-behind-arch-linux-p... Also, I believe that "pacman" definitely wins the award for best package manager names.

Yeah, though as ocharles and alexchamberlain (and myself, actually) have mentioned, it has now been implemented as of January 2012. The issue now is that it doesn't seem to be enabled by default (afaik) and doesn't seem to work with all packages.

As for pacman itself - I agree. Great name and one of the fastest package managers I've ever used.

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by DanBC »

sophacles wrote: post #53
esolyt wrote: post #48

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3171448 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1159909 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3677350 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1779665 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2336657

The newest of those is past the commenting period. That means any discussion on this can't take place there, so you are either advocating that no one else, particularly new people, has anything valid to say, or your are advocating that we should cater specifically to you. Since neither of these make a lick of sense, what value do you think you are adding?

That's an unusually hostile response to a list of links.

Perhaps the value is "If you're interested in LFS you may be interested in the previous discussion. Here it is for you, in nice clickable form".

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by njharman »

agumonkey wrote: post #15

Does anyone feels LFS leans a bit outside its own point ? I felt like I was learning more about gcc/make/autoconf more than the OS itself. The relationship between packages, how the OS interacts with hardware was still obscure. After a successful first reboot I tried to build elinks and while it ran, it was broken in many strange ways (tty rendering, dns lookups failing sometime). It's a inspiring project, but IMHO i…

Linux is at least half about learning how to compile from source. Look at number of people who don't know how, think it's "hard", etc.

If you don't know how to compile, solve dependencies/minor issues, etc. You don't know Linux.

Re: Welcome to Linux From Scratch

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Post by agumonkey »

njharman wrote: post #59
agumonkey wrote: post #15

Does anyone feels LFS leans a bit outside its own point ? I felt like I was learning more about gcc/make/autoconf more than the OS itself. The relationship between packages, how the OS interacts with hardware was still obscure. After a successful first reboot I tried to build elinks and while it ran, it was broken in many strange ways (tty rendering, dns lookups failing sometime). It's a inspiring project, but IMHO i…

Linux is at least half about learning how to compile from source. Look at number of people who don't know how, think it's "hard", etc. If you don't know how to compile, solve dependencies/minor issues, etc. You don't know Linux.

I started writing that I guess I don't know Linux and missed the information LFS conveys.

But I can't shake the feeling that I learned more about independent toolchain than about the OS, and I'm lost trying to understand why a CLI http browser refuse to access some domains for no apparent reason.

I'll read BLFS to see if some part of the knowledge I'm looking is there.

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